Talk:Phyllis Cormack

Why this page
See Talk:Patrick Moore (consultant). Andrewa (talk) 08:03, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Article name
She could perhaps be called Greenpeace I or just Greenpeace disambiguated in some other way, as her notable activity was under the name Greenpeace and the next vessel chartered by the organisation was called Greenpeace II, and the name Greenpeace I does have some currency. But she seems most commonly to be called Phyllis Cormack. Andrewa (talk) 08:18, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Currently no other pages link to the two redlinks Greenpeace I and Greenpeace II, so no big deal. Andrewa (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Previous version
A previous article by this name was created by User:Freaknob and immediately blanked with no reason given. It was then deleted as a G7.

You can see it for the moment at User:Andrewa/sandbox. I considered undeleting it but as it was a valid G7 deletion. that could be challenged perhaps. Or maybe I'm being overcautious.

But I don't think there is any problem with our reusing the material in any way providing any copied text is attributed to user:Freaknob. Andrewa (talk) 23:53, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Templates to be included
for starters XavierItzm (talk) 06:38, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Might American English be more suitable? I stray into British English without meaning to, but this article seems to have a reasonably strong American connection. Andrewa (talk) 10:11, 20 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, the boat is Canadian, the crew was Canadian, the boat departed from Canada and arrived back in Canada, and the sponsoring organisations that chartered the boat and made it famous were Canadian. The Queen of Canada still has a little pied-à-terre in London, does she not?  But whatever.  If anyone wants to go through the draft and change its spelling, I could not care less.  XavierItzm (talk) 23:15, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected and apologise to all Canadians for implicitly calling them Americans!
 * Agree, that's the appropriate template.
 * The Canadians have a right to be sensitive about such matters. Years ago when I had a similar discussion with Kim (still my favourite Canadian I think) she observed that If worst comes to worst, we're the only country in all of the Free World praying that the Russians are good shots. (-> Andrewa (talk) 01:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, there is no doubt that Canadians are Americans; same goes for Argentinians and Colombians. Canadians just happen to live generally north of U.S. people, whereas Argentinians and Colombians live south of U.S. people. XavierItzm (talk) 02:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There have been previous talk page discussions on under what circumstances America and American refer to the US, and when they refer to the continent(s). But I may not be up to date on the current consensus here. But the point here is just, yes, British English here. Andrewa (talk) 18:51, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Was Patrick Moore aboard on the voyage to Amchitka
According to Greenpeace on 1 March 2009 he was, but by 1 April they'd removed him (were they fooling (-> perhaps?) These are primary sources of course. Andrewa (talk) 10:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Moore is still listed as 'on board' at .Dialectric (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Good catch! But it's not still listed, it's again listed. That particular page was updated as above, and was more recently a 404 or a redirect.
 * I'm again wondering whether they are watching these discussions. It would be a bit strange if they were not, considering the high profile of Wikipedia and their interest in Moore. But for whatever reason, reinstating that version of the page is a move in the right direction. It's understandable that they want to distance themselves from Moore, but in attempting to rewrite history they just gave him ammunition.
 * I've requested the Wayback Machine archive the current version... I didn't think they'd done it recently, but I now see lots of recent snapshots. Don't know how I missed them before. Andrewa (talk) 20:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Although one WP:RS in the draft already made it explicit that Moore was a crew member, this has now been made clearer. Furthermore, a second WP:RS has been added to buttress the fact.XavierItzm (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Maybe we're almost to the point of emailing Snopes! (-> Andrewa (talk) 18:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Builder
http://www.ral.bc.ca/ (cited in the old version as the source of Robert Allan Ltd of Vancouver as the designer, and the date of this as 1956) is a dead link for me, DNS not found. Anyone else tried it or would like to?

https://ral.ca/ seems to be their new home page, and we have an article Robert Allan Ltd.. But neither mentions the Phyllis Cormack so far as I can see. Some of the subpages and external links might.

A Google Image search on "Robert Allan" Vancouver "Phyllis Cormack" looks promising. We can't use the images without permission of course but the pages on which they appear may be good sources. Or they may all just be open blogs and the like. Andrewa (talk) 01:37, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There is now a WP:RS (a book, in fact) for the builder's name and address. XavierItzm (talk) 01:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Andrewa (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace
ISTM that this is ready to go as a stub at least, and moving it to the mainspace resolves two redlinks and I'm about to create a third link from Greenpeace (disambiguation). Andrewa (talk) 04:43, 23 March 2019 (UTC)