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Requested move 28 October 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. The nominator has provided sufficient evidence of recent sources using the name "Pia Whitesell", and no sources have been provided of usage of Pia Miller. I also agree with 力's point that the reliability of the sources provided isn't great but its sufficient for this case. (non-admin closure) VR talk 19:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Pia Miller → Pia Whitesell – Pia Miller recently married Patrick Whitesell and is now known as Pia Whitesell. The following sources are some, but by no means all, of the recent mentions of her as Pia Whitesell in the media: https://dailyuknews.com/entertainment/pia-and-patrick-whitesell-reveal-exciting-baby-news-in-handwritten-note/; https://www.msn.com/en-au/entertainment/celebrity/inside-pia-whitesells-incredible-beach-home-in-los-angeles/ar-AAO76zm; https://www.dailynewsbbc.com/home-and-away/pia-whitesell-enjoys-a-date-night-in-santa-monica-with-her-multimillionaire-agent-husband-patrick-after-their-whirlwind-trip-to-venice/. Carly for Endeavor PR (talk) 13:48, 28 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:54, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Question: Which name represents her claim to fame?  To put it another way, the Shirley Temple article is not under Shirley Temple Black, and the Pearl S. Buck article is not under Pearl Walsh. --Bejnar (talk) 01:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose Upon reflection, I oppose this move until and unless "Pia Miller" makes a name for herself under a new name. See my question to Carly above. I base this on the Wikipedia policy WP:COMMONNAME, "the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred."  I discount the primarily PR accounts of her wedding.  It is the in-depth and substantive reliable sources that count. I note that Carly for Endeavor PR is a paid contributor, see her disclosure above under the "$", and further note that to date Carly has made a total of three edits, all of them to this talk page.  --Bejnar (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: The more relevant policy here is WP:NAMECHANGES, in my opinion. WP:BLP is also significant of course. Andrewa (talk) 09:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment According to WP:NAMECHANGES the following is relevant: " Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give extra weight to reliable sources written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match."
 * The following reliable sources, written after the name change was announced, use Pia Whitesell. https://www.vogue.com.au/shopping/add-to-cart-with-pia-whitesell/image-gallery/8b4edf7e0d189123dfa85aac0b72b5d0 and https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/beauty/how-actor-pia-whitesell-turns-her-beauty-routine-into-a-wellbeing-ritual-20210812-p58i5m.html In addition, it is difficult, if not impossible, to find any usage in reliable sources of Pia Miller since her marriage. It is also clear, since I represent Pia, that this is also her preference. Perhaps this fact can also be used to help decide if there is no clear consensus either way? Carly for Endeavor PR (talk) 15:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Support in general Wikipedia articles are quickly renamed after a person changes their name, and I see no reason not to do so here. Gossip rags are sufficient coverage for this type of move. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 22:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.