Talk:Piano Concerto No. 25 (Mozart)

"Emperor"
I had added the "Emperor" tidbit. It was Hutchings that said this was Mozart's "Emperor" Concerto. Subsequent edits had made this point confusing, though. Its certainly never used as a nickname for the concerto but -- as I recall -- Hutchings used the label to compare the symphonic grandeur of the first movement to the later Beethoven work. Theres a similar statement in the article for K271 stating that the work was "Mozart's Eroica". No one calls the ninth concerto "Eroica", but it work does mark a watershed in Mozart's ouevre towards to new, more advanced, compositional style (as the third symphony does in Beethoven's works). Anyhow, the Emperor factoid is not integral to this article, but I thought I would mark here in the discussion page the source of that statement. DavidRF 15:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting! Thanks for the source.  I made the edit after one of my students blithely told me that Mozart wrote the "Emperor" Concerto.  There's also a CD listed on Amazon.com that has picked up the nickname.  I agree with your solution.  Bmwilcox 21:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Girdlestone reference
The indirect Girdlestone reference should be replaced with something more direct- and while he doesn't write that or anything like what the author of the Kennedy Center notes attributes to him (Girdlestone) in the chapter on concerto no. 21 (25- he omits "concertos 1-4" consistently and understandably) in "Mozart and His Piano Concertos" (pp 415-444, Dover edition of 1964)... though he does write "the quintet in C, to which it is near" - and several statements about its relation to the symphony in C which can also largely be taken the same way) - perhaps Girdlestone made that statement elsewhere and more clearly also. Schissel | Sound the Note! 04:23, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand what is meant by "Beethoven references the Concerto in his own Fourth Piano Concerto". If he does, he doesn't do so in words. Can't be in the finale either,and the slow movement is too individual. The piano solos in the two first movements have very little in common. The G major is surely not some sort of testimonial for K503. Delahays (talk) 11:29, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It's at the start of the development of each concerto, although I agree the wording is terrible. Each one has the piano cut off the previous tutti with a short-short-short-long motif on repeated notes and move into a new key, but Beethoven's is more abrupt and more effective. Double sharp (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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