Talk:Piano Sonata No. 14 (Beethoven)

Schnabel recording of Sonata #14
Can it be ascertained that this recording is definitely out of copyright? I ask because in 2010 I posted a sound recording from 1953, and was quickly reverted by XLinkBot for copyvio. Milkunderwood (talk) 05:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not the uploader of the file, but it was recorded in 1934, and the specific source (archive.org) marks it as Public Domain. I'm not a copyright expert though. intforce (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Year of Rellstab's comparison
The article says that Rellstab compared the opening to moonlight on Lake Lucerne in 1832. However the source itself, found here, doesn't mention a year at all. The Encyclopedia Britannica only says 1830s as do many other sources like Timothy Jones' book Beethoven, the Moonlight and other sonatas, op. 27 and op. 31. Tripler06 (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Second movement score example
There are score examples showing the beginning of each movement. However, while the first and third movements have their examples typeset in embedded LilyPond, the second movement's example is in the form of an image made using SCORE. I request that someone who knows how to write in LilyPond make the second example consistent with the other two. Wilh3lmGo here to trout me if I do a stupid 18:17, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, either that or we go back to using the SCORE images for all three movements. I prefer the latter, because the SCORE engravings look more neat and professional. There's a reason why many music publishers still use SCORE and none use LilyPond. intforce (talk) 01:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The Japanese article has a LilyPond score for the 2nd movement, plus a few more for significant other sections in the sonata. I suggest to copy them here. The advantage of LilyPond scores is of course that they give an immediate opportunity to listen to the passage, if so enabled. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Interpretation of First Movement
I am astonished to find this "dirge" interpretation as basically the only and primary one. I had always understood this to be a morphine trip. As you know, Beethoven suffered from stomach ulcers all his life as a result of his fathers abuse. It was these ulcers that killed him. So Beethoven often had recourse to morphine, as it was the most common analgesic of the age. Apparently he took too much sometimes and this is the result. A study of this works' structure in relation to that described in the thesis "Born Under Saturn" reveals that this work does indeed conform to overall structure of a morphine trip as depicted in all spheres of art from etchings of the New Jerusalem to Alice in Wonderland. Not only that, but as you read the score, each note achieves relevance with this interpretation, up to the climax where you feel you are floating in space, which is indeed the effect this piece has if it is played well. And this is obviously Beethoven's intention because he has so explicitly laid out descriptions of the main phases.

I am concerned that we are in the 21st century and this has not been mentioned. Has no one written about it ? Well if someone writes the thesis there is a Doctorate in it.150.107.175.246 (talk) 07:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

PS Beethoven also touches this subject in the Waldstein and the final Aria and variations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.107.175.246 (talk) 08:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reliable sources for this? intforce (talk) 14:08, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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