Talk:Piano Sonata No. 2 (Chopin)

Title
To follow the MoS, shouldn't this be Piano Sonata No. 2 (Chopin), and have this page redirect to it? &mdash; $PЯING  ε  rαgђ  04:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes. Sounds like a good idea. Antandrus  (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * OK. I thought there was an underlying reason. I'll move the other two if this one is fine. &mdash; $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 01:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, that is, if I hadn't seen you do it first! Thanks! :) &mdash; $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 01:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Influence on Star Wars
I can't believe this sonata is not cited as an inspiration for the Star Wars soundtrack. Am I missing something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.157.172 (talk) 00:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Used in JFK's funeral... right?
I added the reference to JFK's funeral because, if memory serves me right, I remember watching a rerun of JFK's funeral, in which several music pieces were performed by a military band. If I'm not mistaken, Chopin's Funeral March was played when the casket was being moved in a procession down Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington, D.C. Some other music was played once the casket reached the Capitol, or wherever it was where the formal services were held. Jackeline Kennedy kept her composure over the whole ordeal until "Hail To The Chief" was played, when she did break down in tears. Somehow this whole mental picture is still in my mind. Did I get this right? Demf 15:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The burial was at Arlington National Cemetery, but the music is no doubt right. William Manchester, giving a very good description of the funeral in "The Death of a President", refers to Hail to the Chief being played in an unusually slow tempo, which made it all the more heart-wrenching, and I'm sure they did use Chopin's march too. And I can vouch for its being used at Brezhnev's and Andropov's funerals in Red Square, I have seen the original footage myself. Wouldn't be surprised if it was used for Lenin as well. -It's also used in lots of movies of course, in Fanny and Alexander for instance, when the children's beloved father is put to rest (though as it turns out, he won't stay in the otherworld).
 * Someone (Tovey?) said about the march that "it gives you the feeling that it's not just a single hero who has been taken away but an entire people, leaving only women, children and priests". Quite true I think.83.254.158.105 (talk) 20:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMdlzOqtNC4&feature=relmfu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.28.246.248 (talk) 09:47, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Wrong movement in video game references?
The Popular Culture section mentions that the games The Sims and Digger both use the theme from the first movement to indicate that someone or something has died. Surely they mean the third movement? Not having played those games, I can't confirm, but it's the third movement that has the well-known funeral march. I can't imagine any of the themes from the first movement being used in this context. That said, there's probably dozens of classic games that used the funeral march theme when you died. Not to mention its similar common use in cartoons and TV. I know Looney Toons used it a couple of times, and I can recall an episode of Monty Python that used it. (The undertaker sketches). Not sure if it's worth mentioning all of them... Lurlock (talk) 17:55, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the section. They are discouraged in WP:CM and the piece is too ubiquitously associated with funerals to list all that use it. DavidRF (talk) 21:24, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Is it worth noting references to the composition in popular literature, ie Something Wicked This Way Comes, by Ray Bradbury.--J Russell (talk) 21:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)Jessy
 * To add, is it worth noting that the start of the third movement appears in the Deadmau5 song "Moar Ghosts 'n' Stuff"? 194.66.175.71 (talk) 03:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Use at the funeral of Lech Kaczynski
The funeral march was played by a military band at the funeral of Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his wife last Friday, according to the newspaper article found here: Kaczynski family wants state funeral held Sunday AkiStuart (talk) 02:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The Opening Repeat Controversy
This should be discussed in the main article somewhere. Charles Rosen (p. 279 of The Romantic Generation) forcefully argues that the mvt 1 exposition should repeat all the way to the beginning, citing the original manuscript in support. The only recorded version I've heard where this actually happens is Uchida's. Obviously this aspect of the entry needs to be tackled by an expert. It would also be nice to have more detailed analysis of the recapitulation's omission of the 1st theme.

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References for recordings
We have a Main article for recordings of the piece. that nonetheless we need to have references in this article. What do others think? The article (not by me) went through GA reviewing, and the even stricter DYK reviewing, without someone asking for references. Recordings can be found in authority control. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Re. "We have a Main article for recordings of the piece" – where? --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not in article space yet but in my userspace- i haven’t had much time to work on it but please help out if you can! —Zingarese talk  ·  contribs  16:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That draft (please give the link, couldn't find it yet) surely has a few references already. I suppose it's not too difficult to copy-paste a few of the most relevant references from the draft to the mainspace article here? Tx. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:37, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * (ec twice) Sorry, I saw it in edit mode, but failed to notice that it is commented out. For a start
 * Gramophone https://www.gramophone.co.uk/feature/the-50-greatest-chopin-recordings-2, for a start,
 * Hyperion https://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/dw.asp?dc=W11868_44351
 * (wqxr blog) https://www.wqxr.org/story/20-essential-chopin-recordings/ --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Zingarese/Chopin sonatas discography --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, but shows that your optimistic "I am sure the citations are in the main article" was way off. There's very little there – the list hasn't even started, and the references to the single paragraph of the list's intro only cover the earliest recordings. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd volunteer to help (because I hate a tag on a GA especially when on the Main page) but am off for a concert, no Chopin, pianist Boris Giltburg. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Removing a correctly placed cn tag is worse (& on top of that sanctimonious) than having that correctly placed tag, wherever the page is linked from. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * authority control: http://data.bnf.fr/14801280/frederic_chopin_sonates__piano__si_bemol_mineur__ct_202/ --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ps: this is in the article, look for BNF, then "data" - and WorldCat will also have them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't understand why you kept on wasting everybody's time, including your own, instead of just adding the reference in mainspace, which would have cost you less energy (since what you suggested was a simple re-use of a reference that was already there). --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:13, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect timing?
It seems odd that the "I. Grave – Doppio movimento" section is listed at "5–7 minutes" but the audio included here takes 7min 50sec. Any explanation, or should it perhaps be listed as 5-8 minutes? Meekohi (talk) 02:30, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven op. 111; Scriabin
Right now, there is no mention of the allusion to this sonata in the opening bars, which is well known (e.g. the reference by Petty). This has to be included in the article.

The 16th prelude by Scriabin, Op. 11, is an obvious hommage to the funeral march. This is also worth mentioning.

This is a great article, well done! Gidip (talk) 06:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We need citations to include this information. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 17:57, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You already cited the article by Petty, so you must have seen the mention of Op. 111 there, as I previously said. For Scriabin, see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Gidip (talk) 08:10, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:NPOV. This is WP:UNDUE. SPECIFICO talk 12:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)