Talk:Piano Sonata No. 31 (Beethoven)/Archive 1

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I moved the article back so that its title is what the work is called (I will never think of this work as his "Sonata No. 31", but always "Op. 110", and I am absolutely certain I am not in a minority among musicians). I think the other Beethoven piano sonata (and string quartet) articles should be similarly moved, as musicians in my experience know them all by opus number not by order of publication, but I recognise that consensus is required before this is done. --RobertG &#9836; talk 17:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Turns out to be a fairly moot point as most users will probably use the boxes at the bottom to navigate through the various sonatas and quartets. 172.165.139.179 06:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I "moved" it back to Sonata No. 31, to match the other articles on Beethoven's piano sonatas. Though I agree with RobertG, I think it's either all the articles or none. Redkind 18:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


 * *Sigh*. I can live with it, and it's no big deal, but the titles of the articles on Beethoven's string quartets and piano sonatas are something which, in my view, Wikipedia has got absolutely wrong.  And please don't do cut-n-paste moves!  --RobertG &#9836; talk 19:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Three movements?
umm, I dunno, but my recording appears to have four movements: a Moderato cantabile molto expressivo, an Allegro molto, an Adagio, ma non troppo, and a Fuga: Allegro ma non troppo. However, the article here seems pretty detailed for it to be wrong... It also says similar movements but with the Fugue as a part of the Finale. I haven' changed it, I'm just going to point it out. 24.226.77.23 (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. I believe CD producers do sometimes track the start of the first fugue in the finale separately, just as they sometimes provide separate tracks for sections in the finale of the Choral Symphony: nevertheless I think the (well-sourced) analysis in the article stands.  --RobertG &#9836; talk 08:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You're correct (Robert) -- the arioso and fugue are a single interwoven movement.  They're often separately tracked for the convenience of listeners, but Beethoven makes it clear they're a single movement when he brings back the arioso in G minor (shattering moment, that).  Antandrus  (talk) 14:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Alight then. 24.226.77.23 (talk) 13:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The file of the First Movement by Donald Betts says the compositor is Schumann,instead of Beethoven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.244.192.164 (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Piano Sonata No. 1 (Beethoven) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 13:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note the date of the foregoing notice. The discussion, now long closed, concerned whether to move the sonata articles to new titles incorporating opus numbers. The conclusion was not to do so. Drhoehl (talk) 23:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

"poi a poi": Brendel vs Rosen
1995/6 in The New York Review of Books: Popcorn! -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) "Beethoven's Triumph" by Charles Rosen, 21 September 1995
 * 2) "Beethoven's Triumph", response by Alfred Brendel, 16 November 1995; includes Rosen's reply
 * 3) "Getting Back to Life" by Alfred Brendel, 1 February 1996; includes Rosen's reply

Score excerpts
I have replaced the existing PNG scores with more professional looking SVG engravings based on urtext. Please let me know if you need more excerpts, e.g. the trio of the second movement. Thanks for bringing this to FA! intforce (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)