Talk:Piano Sonatas Nos. 19 and 20 (Beethoven)

Getting the ball rolling with short and simple entry. Feel free to rephrase and clarify anything. 172.190.248.32 19:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

September 24, 2006 Response from a Beethoven fan:

In fact, one cannot really say that the slow movement was skipped over in the G minor sonata, Opus 49 No. 1: the Andante movement serves double-duty as the first movement and the slow movement. A structural point that underscores this is the inclusion of the exposition repeat (which is very necessary in performance): at this point in time Beethoven always included the exposition repeat in his sonata-form first movements (although this began to change throughout his career), whereas this is one of only about a dozen works in which a sonata-form slow movement has such a repeat. These two sonatas indeed are two of Beethoven's slighter works, which is why he did not publish them himself (their higher opus number belies that they were written around the time of the Opera 2, 7, and 10 sonatas), but nonetheless they are finely crafted and beautiful works; in particular the first movement of the G minor work is quite well-crafted and elegant.

"accidentally published"!!! DJMitch 16:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

A little too dismissive?
These are certainly straightforward works most probably intended, as the introduction clarifies, for teaching students. But in general the article is guilty of slipping from a descriptive tone to a judgemental one, as if these 'easy' sonatas warrant some form of condemnation for their simplicity. These scathing parts require a more professional, disinterested approach. Gunstar hero (talk) 16:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Piano Sonata No. 1 (Beethoven) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 13:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Note the date of the foregoing notice. The discussion, now long closed, concerned whether to move the sonata articles to new titles incorporating opus numbers. The conclusion was not to do so. Drhoehl (talk) 23:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)