Talk:Piccolo (Dragon Ball)/Archive 1

Naming
Hey, just thought I'd let you know the attacks aren't accurate. I'm not just blowing smoke. The area attack from Dragon Ball is the Chobakuretsumaha. He says the attack name as he unleashes the blast, I've heard it with my own ears. Because of translation and the order of the page from the Daizenshuu it's a common mistake. In the episode that started the arc that lead to Cell absorbing Junanag&#333; we see the only time the other technique is named- "The Gekiretsukodan that split the Heavens." In the ep itself he doesnt name it, instead saying "Drop dead." However (as you partially mention) he does clearly verbailize the name in the earlier games where it is present, most notably in Hyper Dimensions. Onikage725

Enhancements

 * Wiki-star: I've just changed the artilces Title to it'a proper name. However, it would be greaty appreciated if anyone were to contribute a few enhancements towards the article.

Thanks alot! Wiki-star 10:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There's plenty of piccolo's other than this one on Wikipedia. Which is why this one is labeled Piccolo (Dragon Ball), and why it was changed right after you moved it. Voice of Treason 05:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Movie Appearances
I don't think that this much info in movie appearances is needed. No other article about DBZ character has any info on that. Main articles are explaining it preety well. 81.18.52.5 00:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Most of the other DB articles are in pretty rough shape. Piccolo's movie appearances are probably the most notable non-canon works that feature the character. Beowulph 11:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Masenko
Misnamed attacks don't count, just like when Gohan was fighting Vegeta he was using Masenko (even though he was yelling out Kamehameha). If I'm wrong, please specify a volume where he can be scene firing the true attack (both palms over forehead). Onikage725


 * You can see the end frame of the blast (both hands open with the palms crossed in directly in front of each other) in Volume 26, chapter 5. Compare to Gohan's use (Volume 19, chapter 7) and the poses are almost identical.  It doesn't show the palms on the forhead, but there's no chance as it only shows one frame for the attack.


 * Though it's not as substantial, in addition, in the anime, Piccolo yells Masenko when he fires it. Beowulph 11:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Are you using original numbers (as in Volume 10 US?), when he fought Freeza? Onikage725 22:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I'm using original numbers (Volume 10 is still in the Dragon Ball saga, well before Dragon Ball Z for mine). Beowulph 06:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's what I said... lol. Onikage725


 * Sorry, I should correct, I'm using using the original Japanese numbers where the numbering scheme doesn't start again on the start of Dragon Ball Z (the 26th book in the total Dragon Ball manga). I read your historical comment as well, any objections to listing the Masenko as a move for him in the manga? Beowulph 22:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Nono, I guess I (and a large chunk of fandom) blinked during that segment, but I picked up Vol. 10 (US numbering) specifically after your comment, and he does indeed fire off a Masenko, as surely as lil' Gohan uses his Bakurikimaha against Freeza. No objections here, and I'll help spread the word, because this misonception is fairly widespread. Onikage725

I've seen Piccolo shout out "Masenko" in the anime while using his Bakurihmaha for some reason, because I know I've only ever seen Gohan do it. For some reason, in the anime, when Gohan gets pissed off and attacks Second Form Freeza, he shouts Masenko as he's firing an energy ball. WTF? I don't know why some characters shout out different names for techniques which should be given their proper names. I've read Dragon Ball Z volume manga 10 and I do not see him putting both palms on his forehead and firing out a blast. I've seen him hold out his arm, support it with the other hand and fire out a blast. Lord Piccolo (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

kami and piccolo jr
In the namak saga Nail said to Piccolo that if he and Kami never separated that they would be more powerful than Freeza. How ever when piccolo and kami did eventually fuse became much more powerful but his amazing strength wasn't that great for long personally I expected the power increase to be greater and more impressive they were supposed to be a super namek. But I think I have a theory on this and if any one else disagrees please say I wont be that offended Ok ready. Piccolo Jr isn't the original piccolo and perhaps this would greatly affect the increase of power Also Kami's age might affect the power increase. And finally the original piccolo was one in body and mind were piccolo jr wished to remain the dominate one in mind and body. Perhaps if King Piccolo was still alive and kami was some how young again and then they fused combining mind and body the power increase would be much greater.

Note: Piccolo after fusing with Kami says that he has long forgotten his name and just to refer to him as the namek but I wonder what his original name actually is.

Finally as every one nose Kami/Piccolo's farther name is Katattsu and wouldn't it be great if one day the creators of dragonball created a new movie special similar to Bardock farther of Goku but called Katattsu farther of Piccolo and was about the evil super Namek’s being beaten by Katattsu and a younger more powerful version of Guru the movie would also include a younger version of Lord Slug and then at the end the storm hit killing al the namek’s accept Guru. User:Kami-Sama

that would be cool, i would watch that

_Ehm, actually picolo is stronger then every other z-warrior at the time of his fusion. His power is much greater than freeza's. Freeza was extremely weaker than Trunks who was extremely weaker than Android 18. Picolo's power at the time of his fusion with the Kami, was almost identical to Android 17's power as shown in their battle some episodes later. He was much stronger than Vegeta and Trunks were at the time and they both where super sayian warriors.


 * Piccolo was stronger than Freeza after fusing. If you piece together what people said about each others' abilities, they say as much. Goku as a Super Saiyan beat Freeza. When Vegeta goes Super Saiyan Piccolo states that Vegeta seems more powerful than Goku. When Piccolo fuses Vegeta states that Piccolo is stronger than himself. Therefore fused Piccolo is stronger than Freeza. -Krendall (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, however, Piccolo was actually equal to Freeza in both strength and speed after he fused with Nail. Before fusing with Nail, Piccolo wouldn't stand a chance against Second Form Freeza and would only be able to keep up with First Form Freeza. However, Piccolo only seemed stronger than Freeza in the start because Freeza was only holding back, as was Piccolo. When Freeza stopped holding back, he was stronger than Piccolo. Then Piccolo stopped holding back too and again the battle shifted to them both becoming equal. Eventually, Freeza transformed and Piccolo was the inferior fighter. If Piccolo had fused with Kami in the first place, he would've probably killed Second Form Freeza.

Later, Piccolo had been defeated by the Androids/Artifical Humans and had to fuse with Kami to become stronger. Piccolo fought with Cell, holding the upper hand, although Cell may've just been holding back because he wanted to test out Piccolo. He was stronger than Cell at the time of fusion and stronger than both Vegeta & Goku's Super Saiyan forms, and everyone else too. Yes, there is proof. Piccolo lost when Cell drained his energy through his arm, regenerated it though and it was obvious that Cell got scared of Piccolo's strength because he used Solar Flare to blind him and run away. Again, Piccolo fought with 17, but were dead even (strangely giving some the idea that 17 would be stronger than Cell -- not true). Piccolo was stronger than everyone else at the time, but had a little trouble fighting #17. Then Cell came and almost killed Piccolo. This happened because Piccolo was exhausted from his battle with #17 and he couldn't put his full power into the Gekiretsu Kodan to attack Cell. Or...Cell was holding back in their first battle and was toying with him the whole time. Lord Piccolo (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Size
Someone should add how tall Piccolo is (he's 6'7) & how much he weighs (I'm not sure). There should also be something telling of his giant form. Son of Kong


 * Can you cite your source on his height? Additionally, his giant form is mentioned under his special abilities. Beowulph 13:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, at the moment I've forgotten where I found his height but I remember it being 6'7. Son of Kong

On the changes...
We don't know Piccolo/Kami's original name. When it's first told, it's stated that Piccolo Daimao basically means "demon king from another world", which is a title he essentially gave himself, not his original Namekian name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beowulph (talk • contribs)

As Piccolo first stated after his merging, "I'm no longer God nor Piccolo. I am a Namekseijin who'se forgotten his own name" and then later, in response to Goku merging the two names, "You don't have to fuse my names too! I'm mostly based on Piccolo.  Call me Piccolo" which is why he retained that name. As seen with Nail earlier, the base namek of the fusion takes the powers, memory and some personality traits of the absorbed namek, but essentially remains themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beowulph (talk • contribs)

Additionally, Piccolo never uses Chonoryoku in the original manga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beowulph (talk • contribs)

Piccolo vs. Freeza
I can't speak for the anime, but in the manga, Piccolo clearly has the upper hand...then Freeza says he'll stop fooling around, and Piccolo smirks and says he'll do the same. That's why Freeza transformed again, he knew Piccolo would win. Thanos6 10:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Piccolo as reincarnation
There's quite a bit of evidence to suggest that Piccolo is a reincarnation, including Piccolo himself stating it, his linked soul with Kami and Kami's statement that if Daimao died, he would as well. May I ask what you have to prove that Piccolo is not a reincarnation? Beowulph 05:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He is obiously an reincarnation Piccolo Jr. said it himself, my point lies here- at the momemt of Piccolo Daimao's death he "laid" (spited actually) an egg and that egg hatched eventually growing up to Piccolo, so he technically is Piccolo's "father" therefore he is in the middle in a clasification like Son/reincarnation. -Dark Dragon Flame 05:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I reverted back to my revision using popups. Beowulph, both you and Dark Dragon Flame need to cool down. You guys were screwing up the categories and other edits so I had to step in. Power level (Dragon Ball) 05:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm as cool as a cucumber (God who decided to use that in WP:COOL), there's no way I can't be cool at this time in the night. -Dark Dragon Flame 05:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So we put it as incarnated son as confusing as it may sound or do we take it further and give a full explanation of his status?-Dark Dragon Flame 05:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems that we are all basically in agreement, it's just the wording. What did you not like about "son/reincarnation" which you feel is better worded with "reincarnated son"?  That latter statement to me reads oddly and isn't quite clear IMO. Beowulph 05:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Son/reincarnation" just sounds ambiguous, "reincarnated son" to me sounds more direct to the point. -Dark Dragon Flame 05:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) I edit conflicted a few times. Well then, I always go by what the manga has for the Dragon Ball characters since I hate the anime filler profiles. Piccolo Junior said at the 23rd Tenkaichi Tournament that he is Piccolo Daimao reincarnated. He survived certain death at the hands of Son Goku at the battle field in the capital of East City. The Demon King did, in fact, release his entire essense into a newborn egg. That egg hatched and grew into the same demon it once was, only several times stronger and with a different physique. Power level (Dragon Ball) 06:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, what if we put "who is considered both the son and reincarnation of Daimao"? Beowulph 13:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's fine by me. -Dark Dragon Flame 17:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hey Beowulph, you saw the quoted statement I gave you from Piccolo Jr., right? He is Piccolo Daimao, Son Goku even said that he was no different than his father. I don't understand why you're not okay with it. Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Uhm, pardon? Not ok with what?  I don't like the current statement because "reincarnated son" can easily (and most likely) be interpreted as someone who was the son of someone and who was reincarnated, not the same thing as a reincarnation who can also be considered a son. Beowulph 17:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He is the "son" of himself, if ya think about it. Here's basically what happened: Goku punched a humongous whole through King Piccolo's chest, right? The Demon King then put everything he had into a final egg that contained all of his powers and memorabilia and hatched into a born-again prodigy of Piccolo Daimao-sama. How can you not say that he is the "reincarnated son" if he is the child that was encarnated by the former himself? See what I mean? If people have any questions, they should ask here on the talk page, rather than be confused forever. Power level (Dragon Ball) 18:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, here's my issue. "Goku is the reincarnated son of Burdock".  That statement is true, Goku was reincarnated (at one point) and he is the son of Burdock.  By applying it to Piccolo, it does not make explicitly clear that Piccolo could be considered both a reincarnation and child of Daimao as opposed to "the child of daimao who was reincarnated".  In fact, I would guess that the the reader would guess the former as the idea of an entity which is both a child and a reincarnation is somewhat unique to this character.


 * Can I ask what the contention is with us stating "Piccolo is considered both the son and reincarnation of Daimao"? Beowulph 21:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Since DDF has no contention, I'm going to change the sentence unless there is objection. Beowulph 18:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I object, as I've already stated my reasons. Also, when was Goku called the "reincaraneted son" of Burdock? Power level (Dragon Ball) 21:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Goku was reincarnated and he was the son of Burdock; hence "Goku is the reincarnated son of Burdock" is factually and grammatically correct. It reads quite oddly though, doesn't it? That's why I'd like to clarify, the sentence we have there now is ambiguous.  Also, since you object, can you tell me why? Beowulph 02:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does read quite oddly, but I've already explained this to you Beowulph: Piccolo Jr. reveals at the tournament that he is Piccolo Daimao reincarnated, he also refers to being the son of King Piccolo. I don't see how this has anything to do with "Goku being reincarnated from Burdock", which sounds very wierd... Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you're following me. I know that Piccolo is Jr. is both a reincarnation and child of Piccolo Daimao. I also never said Goku was reincarnated from Burdock, I said "Goku is the reincarnated son of Burdock", huge difference. The former is flat-out wrong, the latter is grammatically correct. Let me give you some more examples:


 * Goku is the reincarnated father of Gohan
 * Goku is a reincarnated Saiyan
 * Goku is the reincarnated friend of Kuririn

Those are all grammatically correct, but read oddly since Goku's reincarnation doesn't have anything to do with following statement.

Now, what exactly is your objection to "Piccolo is considered both the son and reincarnation of Daimao"? And please, don't go back to the tournament, no one's arguing against what Piccolo said. Better yet, why don't you tell me what you think "Piccolo is considered both the son and reincarnation of Daimao" means to you? Let's try to find the root of this disagreement. Beowulph 03:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, let's go from the beginning. Goku punched a hole through Piccolo Daimao, pretty much killing him. But before he "died", he put all he had into one final egg -- his reincarnation. At the 23rd World Martials Arts Tournament, Piccolo said that he was the reincarnation of King Piccolo, but at another point, he said something like "I will avenge my father" or whatever. Now, back to the argument. Can your son be your reincarnation? Well, Piccolo Daimao had proven to be able to summon beings from eggs of his own from out of nowhere, like Drum and Tambourine. Does this make them his sons? Possibly, but he never did it with anyone else, making their creation somewhat mind-boggling, just like the Cell Juniors' creation. Well, I'm stuck on this one, but if Piccolo Jr. was the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, shouldn't he look exactly like Piccolo Daimao? Because he looked younger than the original Piccolo. So he must be some kind of special son to Piccolo Daimao, or the sole reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao himself. Oh, and another thing that conflicts -- if the original Piccolo died, then why didn't Kami die too? The egg hadn't been hatched yet, and all the while Goku was training with Kami. Son Gohan (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Piccolo's size and strength
Piccolo's strength compared to Android 17 is stated in the Cell Saga section; we don't list relative power levels (as strong as etc.) in the main introductory header.

Secondly, it can't be confirmed that he uses that ability in his battle with 17; to me (reading the manga) he doesn't look that noticeably bigger at all, especially after the first "power up" panel. Beowulph 23:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well you should of seen how the article discribed Piccolo's power before. And the manga clearly states during the battle with 17 after Piccolo fuses with Kami that he and 17 are 'dead even'. Also about the giant form thing i admit it is a bit of a stretch to put it on there but I really couln't think of another way to discribe it and it really does look like Piccolo gets bigger for example look at pages 84 and 82. can't we at least mention the increased mass? DBZROCKS 00:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Can I ask why exactly it needs describing? There's no certainty that he wasn't simply drawn "muscled" in that one panel.  For example, compare the panel just prior to Piccolo's "power up" and then the one after he elbows and kicks 17; he is not any noticeably bigger at all. Beowulph 02:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * He's not bigger just pumped up, like Goku when he first became SSJ. -Dark Dragon Flame 02:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Fine fine i concide defeat I follow the rule don't be dense after all. one an unrelated note we need to trim this article its to big its almost Goku Size merging Kami and Piccolo Diamo would make it even bigger, and more confusing. BAd idea. DBZROCKS 13:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to prototype that now with Tenshinhan. I'm hoping to transfer most of the plot information to the Saga articles (see the Tenshinhan Saga for my test case on that as well) and then shrink the character articles considerably. Beowulph 13:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * dont make it Son Goten Small though Tenshinhan and Piccolo have big roles and should have a good sized article, its just that it shouldn't be HUGE. DBZROCKS 22:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Age?
Could someone find out Piccolo's exact age and include it in the article? I'm not sure it is said anywhere what his age was, but I have an idea.

When the cataclysm broke across Namek, Kami's parents put him in a spaceship, right? Well, he went to Earth, found the note from some people saying they'd come back for him (why leave him alone in the first place) and waited for 20 or 30 years for his parents to come. Man, he'd be an adult then. So, my only conclusion to discovering his age is if someone knows when he became God of Earth and how long was he God of Earth before he fused with Piccolo? Also, how old was Piccolo Daimao after he seperated from Kami, how old was he when he regained his youth and power, and how old was he at the beginning of the 23rd World Martials Arts Tournament to the end of Z (and maybe even GT)? Lord Piccolo (talk) 18:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

17 > Cell?
Could someone please explain how, after Piccolo fused with Kami, he managed to hold the upper hand in the fight with Cell until Cell sneaked up on him and drained his energy, whereas when he was battling with Android 17, he was even with him. Does this mean that 17 was stronger than Cell, which is highly unlikely? Even Kami said that, before fusing with Piccolo, he had discovered a threat even stronger and more terrible than the Androids. What does this all mean? Son Gohan (talk) 13:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Cell must've been stronger than 17, even Kami says so. I just think that either Cell wasn't using his full power against Piccolo because he thought he was nothing compared to him or that 17 was fighting at full power against Piccolo when he fought against him. The only reason Cell defeated Piccolo (and almost killed him) was because Piccolo was exhausted after his battle with 17 and he didn't have enough energy to put all his power in his Gekiretsu Kodan. Lord Piccolo (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Freeza/Frieza
I'm not sure which is right, but can someone please make the spelling of this consistent throughout the article. Thanks. --irrevenant [ talk ] 05:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * While I agree that one spelling should be used, the problem is both are right. Frieza is the official spelling for the US dub as well as the US video games, while Freeza is used for the US subtitles and the manga. There are also people who insist on spelling it Furiiza (the literal Romanization of the Japanese characters) or Freezer (the actual meaning of the name). Krendall (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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