Talk:Pidgeon Pagonis

"They"? and intersex status
Maybe Pagonis labels himself/herself as "they", but that is his/her choice, not everyone else's choice. To be honest, the "they" term makes it overly complicated to read the article.

Unless Pagonis is a hermafrodite, he/she must have a dominant biological gender. The article doesn't say anything about Pagonis own intersex status or gender biology. From what is told in the article as is, it appears that the male gender was the biologically dominant gender in Pagonis. I think it is essential to include in the article. That is objective info and Pagonis can call himself whatever he wants, that's all up to him. RhinoMind (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Replace a few of those pronouns with "their" name, maybe. --2003:F4:1BCB:9C01:9890:BA6E:8C2:B257 (talk) 19:05, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia uses pronouns according to self-identification. If Pagonis wants people to use they/them pronouns, Wikipedia will use they/them pronouns for them. See MOS:GENDERID. Judith Sunrise (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Pidgeon doesn’t have AIS
Pidgeon posted on twitter saying they probably don’t have AIS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CycoMa (talk • contribs) 18:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw the same info as you and went on to edit the article. I hope it was not premature?--FirTre (talk) 17:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

What does "queer" mean in this context?
The article reads "Pagonis, who is queer and nonbinary ..." and I have to wonder what "queer" means in this context. In common parlance, "queer" is synonymous with "homosexual," that is someone who has sex with persons of the same sex, but as Pagonis is neither sex this is anomalous. If, on the other hand, we take the Wikipedia definition "Queer is an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities who are not heterosexual and cisgendered" then going on to describe Pagonis as "nonbinary" would be redundant and, again, anomalous. If Pagonis has a public sexual orientation, then it ought to be included in the article, but if this is private information, then using the word "queer" is just smoke and mirrors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dutchman Schultz (talk • contribs) 6:49, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The description is cited and sourced from the subject's own words in this article: "The following is a list of considerations highlighting the pros and cons that I — a non-binary queer intersex person — find myself contemplating each time I’m asked about this question." Funcrunch (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Gosh, this article does NOTHING to clarify what "queer" means in this context.R.M. Schultz (talk) 07:34, 14 November 2020 (UTC)