Talk:Piebald

Pied
Pied redirects here? For some reason, there is a link at the top of the page to redirect to pied which brings you right back. 208.73.225.34 (talk) 13:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Mystery to me what that's about.  Unless Pied is considered short for Piebald?   Montanabw (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Yesterday, wherefore I can hardly say, I was moved to correct this article's erroneous statement that "the various types of magpie are so called because of their pied plumage" (in fact, other animals are called "pied" or "piebald" because of the magpie's coloring), to add an inline reference supporting this not-particularly-obscure fact (in part as the lack of such notes elsewhere in the article had been flagged), and to improve a bit of awkward language without removing any other information (though some of that information's relevance is indeed questionable).

Today, though, all that is no more -- and here I was thinking that "the key thing is getting it right." But carry on, all; I certainly plan to. Zhaonach (talk) 02:52, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The assertion is up for discussion, it sounded rather dubious and removed other sourced material that was there. So discuss. Montanabw (talk) 03:01, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, although, if you don't mind my saying, what I will have to offer in the way of discussion is more or less all here, the dictionary I referenced in the first place, with the Online Etymological Dictionary providing a similar account -- and such sources, after all, are surely to be the means by which we avoid judgments based on perceived "dubiousness"?


 * I did not take note of any sourced material relevant to my correction (nor of any sources at all outside of the "Introduction to Coat Color Genetics.") The article's current claim ("the various types of magpie are so called because of their pied plumage") is, according to all reference works I have examined, incorrect. Rather, the bird's name in earlier English is simply pie, and apparently relates ultimately to sharpness of beak (compare L. pica 'magpie' and picus 'woodpecker' to O.Fr. pic 'spike' and our pike, picador, pique, picquant, etc.) Secondarily, this pie came to be prefixed with the name "Margaret" and relatives (thus magot-pie of Macbeth), ultimately resulting in the now-familiar magpie. Thus, piebald is a derivative of (mag)pie, and not the other way round.


 * But, again, this is all in the dictionary.


 * Regards,
 * Zhaonach (talk) 03:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Your explanation works for me. I put a more simply-worded version of what you had back into the article, giving it its own section and adding some of the bits to the intro that are repeated later in the article (which, if we ever expand the article further will be useful. See if my explanation of the etymology, is sufficiently accurate, I only used the sources you provided here as I do not have access to the hardcopy book.   Montanabw (talk) 23:23, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Why two separate articles?
There is a separate article for piebaldism in humans. Not sure why they have to be separate. The conditions are the same. Student7 (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not really, in horses, at least, it is often desired and they breed for it. Not a disease or a disfigurement.  That alone is enough reason to split the topic off for humans. I presume the links to the articles on the genes are the same, though.    Montanabw (talk)  01:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And desired in dogs (Dalmatians, etc.), and cats (Tiger, Tuxedo).
 * But bred out and very undesirable in sheep, and alpacas. It seem silly to me to have two article which basically say the same thing. Student7 (talk) 18:00, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd want to look at the various genetic mechanisms involved, as I don't think it's the same thing in all species. To me we are comparing apples and oranges - both fruit, but different... not the same at all!  This article is simply on the colour pattern, not the disease.  Montanabw (talk)  19:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Calico Cat
Is this related to the patchy multi-colored Calico Cat? If so, maybe a link in the see also section is relevant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.156.233.187 (talk) 21:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Adding examples
Is there a simple method to add a photo to the Other Animals section? Wikita (talk) 00:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
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