Talk:Pierre McGuire

BIAS?
I removed the 3 most biased lines of the text...specially the one mentioning people will "overdose tylenol and advil after listening for more than 10 seconds"... I guess there's some other arguments that could be rewrote.... it's up to those who know him better than I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.55.229 (talk) 01:21, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Concerns
I don't feel that this article does a particularly job of either mastering the english language, nor describing Pierre McGuire in a relatively NPOV fashion.

Complete Overhaul
This article needs a complete overhaul. It's not divided into sections, seems to ramble on. Hopefully someone, with the finesse & ability, will give this page a cleanup. GoodDay 21:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Erase and Start Again?
The content on this talk/discussion page is pretty worthless, with non-relevant and unsigned comments. Shall we erase everything and start this page again? Is this a good idea?Que-Can (talk) 19:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Commentator for Fox Sports Pittsburgh?
I watch nearly every Pittsburgh Penguins game, and I've never seen Pierre McGuire on any of their regional broadcasts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.241.126 (talk) 21:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

If only we could all be so fortunate... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.189.2 (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Jewish Team
The coach of a Canadian team at the World Jewish Ice Hockey Tournament is named Pierre McGuire. Is it the same guy and should we put it in? pew pew pew 15:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanlemagne (talk • contribs)
 * Not without a reliable source to back it up, no. We'd have to be able to show that it is the same individual. Resolute 23:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Name?
His real name is Regis but Pierre is in quotes. What does that mean? Did he make up that name to sound more Canadian or something? I think that should be discussed.


 * When names are enclosed in quotations, it is referring to what that individual's everyday name is, what people refer to them as, the name they go by, etc. Nicknames are often seen in quotes, and also treated similarly. I don't know why he goes by "Pierre", but it shouldn't be mentioned in the article without relevant sources. 01:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Upon further review, it appears that this is his middle name. 06:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Upon reading the article cited, it seems very obvious that McGuire was being facetious when he said his real name is "Regis". There are no other sources which back up this claim other than sources quoting this article. Is this source (the montrealer online) even reliable? I think the "Regis" should be removed until someone can verify it, because it seems very dubious. Freshfighter9talk 21:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Here is the direct quote from the cited source:

Asked why his parents didn’t give him an “R” name as well, Pierre replies with his understated wry sense of humour; "Actually they did – my first name is Regis."

Does anyone else see that he wasn't being serious when he made that statement? Freshfighter9talk 21:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mitch macdonald, 7 June 2010
While some people enjoy McGuire's analysis he has many detractors. In the past McGuire himself has stated his desire to broadcast "obnoxiously" (1) and in the eyes of some he has succeeded. Even members of the media, which are normally very reserved in their criticism of peers, have taken shots at McGuire. Some have suggested that he turned to broadcasting because he was a failure as hockey executive (2) while others have criticized his performance as an analyst (3).

Sources

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/sports/23iht-nhl.1.9429446.html?_r=2

2. http://ckdp.ca/whats-wrong-with-the-toronto-maple-leafs/

3. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/sports/story.html?id=05f33e96-3302-4668-85f1-5c750937037b&k=39606

Mitch macdonald (talk) 07:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: there are a lot of issues with this proposed addition, most of all that the sources don't seem to confirm the text. Source #2, http://ckdp.ca/whats-wrong-with-the-toronto-maple-leafs/, seems to criticize him for his analysis, not his executive performance.  Source #3 is a long interview which does not seem to me to clearly address McGuire's work at all.  It's not even clear to me whether the interview is to be taken seriously and how much of it is a joke.  Please try to find stronger sources for these claims. Tim Pierce (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Resolute. You were helping me little over a year ago edit Pierre McGuire's section. I finally submitted what I thought was a solidly sourced edit but it was not accepted. I looked up the person who denied my entry and from their background and their response to my entry it is clear they don't have the hockey knowledge needed for this task. I wrote him and told him that and asked if you could oversee my changes instead. Here is what my proposed addition looks like now, I did take into account his comments and made some slight changes.

While some people enjoy McGuire's analysis and commentary his style does lend itself to criticism. In the past McGuire himself has stated his desire to broadcast "obnoxiously" (1) and in the eyes of some he has succeeded. Even members of the media, which are normally very reserved in their criticism of peers, have taken shots at McGuire. Some have pointed to his lack of credibility as analyst due to dubious performance as a hockey executive (2) while others have mocked his style as a broadcaster (3).

Sources 1. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/sports/23iht-nhl.1.9429446.html?_r=2 2. http://ckdp.ca/whats-wrong-with-the-toronto-maple-leafs/ 3. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/sports/story.html?id=05f33e96-3302-4668-85f1-5c750937037b&k=39606

The three sources are all credible, especially when it comes to matters relating to hockey. As you know McGuire has many detractors but finding members of the media from sources Wikipedia deems credible willing to write critical articles about McGuire is very difficult because they are essentially criticizing themselves and cannibalising the industry in which they are employed. As the McGuire entry reads now it is one sided, my proposed entry creates better balance and more accurately reflects the views of the hockey world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitch macdonald (talk • contribs) 03:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Source #2 simply does NOT support your "hockey executive" comment. Both sources #2 and #3 are simply written versions of sports talk radio vitriol, and very dubious as the basis for NPOV treatment. This entire paragraph seems like an attempt to slip more anti-McGuire vitriol through the cracks by dressing it up in a "credible" cloak. Vitriol is a theme here. I would (and will) delete the last sentence. Jrgilb (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

As requested before, I would like the contributor named Resolute to oversee my changes, he makes many contributions to hockey related topics and is qualified for the task, is that possible? In regards to the comments from Jrgilb, where in articles #2 and #3 does it say that they are written transmissions of a sports talk radio show broadcast? Such a claim has no credibility whatsoever. Both articles were written for and printed in reputable newspapers in markets where hockey is highly regarded and closely followed. You really have to understand hockey and hockey broadcasting in order to fully understand and appreciate these articles, especially article #3 as it is a satirical and very humorous mock interview that is a really accurate critique of Pierre's broadcasting style, it really is (if you don't understand the "really" references, you really don't get the article and you don't get Pierre, you really don't). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitch macdonald (talk • contribs) 10:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Mitch, Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. You don't get to cherry-pick who does and doesn't contribute.  I will gladly defer to 's expertise in matters of hockey, but I agree with  that these sources are not very good.  If "you really have to understand hockey and hockey broadcasting in order to fully understand and appreciate" the references, then they're not very good sources to use in an encyclopedia intended for a general audience.  #2 is not a terrible source but #3 is really not clear, and I think should be removed. Tim Pierce (talk) 15:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Tim - The use of the word "really" by myself and the author of source #3 is a use of humour to deliver a point, it really is. You don't have to really understand hockey and humour to understand the point, you just have to understand both at some level. Please consider how rare it is for a member of the media to criticize their own and how much they are opening themselves up to criticism by doing so. For any member of the media to say anything even remotely negative about their own is very unusual and controversial, in order to do so they often have to rely on more subtle tactics such as humour, they really do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitch macdonald (talk • contribs) 12:15, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Freshfighter - I am writing this in the Talk section because it makes more sense than us sending personal messages back and forth.

If you are going to remove the passage I added long ago to McGuire's page I expect more justification than a generic one sentence message from you. Nothing personal and this is a shortcoming of Wiki but why should you have the right to continually veto changes you don't like? Too often editors who don't have enough knowledge on a subject make changes they aren't qualified to make (see above). The lack of justification and support from you for removing the section I added calls into question whether there was consensus between editors like Wiki claims to aim to achieve before making major changes to this article.

This is another shortcoming of Wiki but it makes more sense to use the "Talk" section of Mcguire's page to justify changes you keep making so that people, including you, see the history of these changes. I don't see why I have to defend to you the addition I made if I have already done so in the past. I understand the need to keep the Talk page free of long personal exchanges between people but discussing these changes here makes it much easier for people to understand the progression of the article as opposed to having to visit the pages of every person who has made a change to McGuire's page. Discussing the changes here makes the creation of the article a more open and collaborative effort and further prevents editors from making unsupported and unjustified changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.205.170 (talk) 03:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently you need to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's BLP policy. I didn't create it, but we all as editors are required to adhere to it as closely as possible. You may not be a fan of McGuire, but Wikipedia isn't the place for that. The material you are attempting to add is considered contentious. Per guidelines, "Contentious material about living persons (or recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing." You can read more here. Freshfighter9talk 15:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Baton Rouge Kingfish
I see that his tenure as head coach of the Baton Rouge Kingfish of the ECHL is not mentioned (1996-1997). Worse, the timeline given for his career makes it impossible for him to have coached. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.39.51.12 (talk) 18:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2014
Times misspelled as "Tmes" 66.74.176.59 (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't see "Tmes" appearing anywhere in the article. Stickee (talk) 08:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌ - Not in the current article, nor any version in the last 6 months - Arjayay (talk) 12:46, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

"title=Transactions|newspaper=The New York Tims|date=October 2, 1991"66.74.176.59 (talk) 03:10, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ -Fixed. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 21:35, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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