Talk:Pierre de Coubertin

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Um, how come we dont mention that this monster was given money by the nazis? This oage makes it look like he is a good person and has a good rep, this monster was a horrible person who deserves to have his grave spit on! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.72.68 (talk) 03:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

You're thinking of Avery Brundage. Save your spit for his page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.104.27 (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Baron Pierre de Coubertin has never been the father or founder of the Olympic Games. However, Coubertin was the founder of the International Olympic Committee in 1894.

The Olympic Games was originally founded to honour the God Zeus in Ancient Greece. It was re-established in modern times as a national Olympic Games in Athens, Greece in 1859 (by Evangelis Zappas) and by the foundation of the Wenlock Olympian Society in Much Wenlock in the United Kingdom (by Dr William Penny Brookes) in 1860.

Coubertin visited Brookes in Much Wenlock and was so impressed by the Olympian Games that he was inspired to found the International Olympic Committee. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 11:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Unless you can provide references... --euyyn 19:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have some references. Since the first modern Olympic Games took place in Athens in 1859. It was called "Olympics" at that time. There were participants from both independent Greece and the Ottoman Empire. Reference: The Modern Olympics, A Struggle for Revival, Chapter 2, by David C. Young. Other good references include the actual ticket (scan in the section about the Zappas Olympics (Zappas Olympics was not used at that time) and program of the event. The ticket says "Olympics" on it. It doesn't say "Zappas Games". Nor does it say "national Olympics" on it. Baron Pierre de Coubertin is the founder of the International Olympic Committee. However, is not the only founder of the Modern Olympic Games. And there are other founders including Dr William Penny Brookes who is undoubtedly a founder of the Modern Olympic Movement. Nipsonanomhmata (talk) 11:02, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

This whole article seems to suffer from "multiple author syndrome." It contains repetitions, alternative versions of the same statement and even apparent comptradictions. It could do with a good cleanup by a single editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.85.143 (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Correct title
As he was (I assume) a baron, shouldn't we have to name it "Pierre, Baron de Coubertin"? Well, in fact we don't mention a single time in the article that he were a baron... Is it false? Beacuse I think almost everybody believes it. --euyyn 19:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

He was a Baron, as everybody knows. Here's explained the origin of his title (in spanish). --euyyn 12:09, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

zappas.org
What's with all the "see www.zappas.org" and stuff like "without knowing, understanding, or appreciating"? There is no contention that Pierre de Coubertin founded the IOC and that he was successful in bringing the modern Olympic Games to life. I would think that a better way to tell the story of another attempt to bring the games back by someone else, would be to: --Kimon 16:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) create an article on it,
 * 2) have a mention to it in this article and
 * 3) have a new section on it in the Olympic Games article.


 * I removed all of that garbage, and encourage other editors to do the same when it (inevitably) reappears. It appears to be someone with a very clear agenda of publicizing a particular point of view. To anyone promoting the Zappas theory, please find a neutral, non-biased external source -- in accordance with numerous Wikipedia policies -- or your edits will continue to be reverted. --SuperNova |T|C|08:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Pee and Poo
I removed some stuff obviously added as junk (pee drinking and poo eating). Probably not worth note on this page, but I thought I'd mention it since it was simply chopped right out. And this is posted by Rhenn. Me and my sig don't get along for some reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.88.67.230 (talk) 23:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Please Fix the Footnotes
Please Fix the Footnotes -- thanks Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Family Life
I just noticed this, as I was going through the article, in 'family life' it says that "his son became retarded after being left in the sun for too long". Someone with sources of info on his family life please edit this out. SysZero (talk) 14:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC) SysZero 5th November 2010 SysZero (talk) 14:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. I just got rid of it altogether. The section was plagarized directly from some other website that cited no references. If someone has any information about Coubertin's family, please re-write this section. Mattyleg (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Date of death
The date of death is incorrectly listed as February in the side box. Should be September. --Robjlucas —Preceding undated comment added 13:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC).

Need for translation: Criticism and Controverses
The paragraph entitled Criticism and its Controverses equivalent in the French article show significant disparities. The former addresses the scholarly misunderstanding of the ancient Games by Coubertin, while the later explores his unsavory political positions, notably his admiration for Hitler and ensuing glorification of the Nazi regime. I believe a translation of that paragraph would be a worthy addition to his English biography. Président (talk) 00:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Needs attention

 * "Their son Jacques (1896–1952) became ill after being in the sun too long when he was a little child. "

What is being inferred here? That he never married?


 * ''"Pierre was the last person to ????? the family name.

What word is intended where I have put the ????? Also, how can that be true anyway? Jacques de Coubertin outlived his father by 15 years. Moriori (talk) 20:59, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Moriori's comment above: the whole "Later life" section does not add anything or make sense. Both of his children outlived him. Consider deleting section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.197.10.191 (talk) 08:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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removing Bible quote
I am removing the Bible quote from the Criticism section which was inserted in 2011:. It is a primary source (which should be avoided, WP:PRIMARY), original research, and I could point to other Bible verses which apparently emphasise finishing over winning, e.g. 2 Timothy 4:7 (NIV) I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. So better to remove the use of Bible verses altogether. Adpete (talk) 01:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Heart buried in Olympia in Greece?
According to the Olympia, Greece article, "When Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the International Olympic Committee, died in 1937, a monument to him was erected at ancient Olympia and, emulating Evangelis Zappas, whose head is buried under a statue in front of the Zappeion, his heart was buried at the monument". I know that my personal recollection doesn't count, but I can clearly remember a notice stating that fact from when I visited Olympia in the late 1980s. JezGrove (talk) 14:10, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Honours in Categories
There are various honours attributed to Baron de Coubertin in the Categories section of this page, but none are cited in the article. Does anyone have an idea as to the accuracy of these categories? OGBC1992 (talk) 10:01, 24 April 2023 (UTC)