Talk:Piers Gaveston, 1st Earl of Cornwall

Tentative rewrite
I found parts of this article difficult to understand: the prose was lumpy. I've attempted to make it more readable, but this is not a subject of which I have any knowledge, and it's possible that I've misunderstood something. You're welcome to look in the History to compare my rewrite with what came before, and to fix where appropriate. -- Hoary 05:25, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)

Where exactly does the Edward I quote come from. I have a very hard time believing anybody was actually around to record that quote.

Yah. "You wretched son of a whore!" cried King Edward. "Do you want to give away lands now? You who have never gained any? As God lives, if not for fear of breaking up the kingdom, I would never let you enjoy your inheritance!" Sounds like a Sunday night costume drama; not a text book.

It is not likely accurate. Of all the things that Longshanks would, might have, or did call his son-- and undoubtely they were many and vehement-- 'son of a whore' is not one of them. He would be, after all, referring to Eleanor of Castile.


 * As suggested, I've cut the worst of the opinions, and got rid of the fanciful dialogue. The article still needs some headings and sources, and I suspect that I can see some factual errors, but I'm not an expert on Gaveston.  That said, I loved the comedy drama bit the OP put in.Endie 09:32, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I am curious as to why no mention was made of the homosexuality of Gaveston,presumed,fictional or otherwise.I am surprised that no mention is made of Derek Jarmans film Edward II.

Location of beheading
The article is wrong to claim Gaveston was beheaded in Kenilworth. He was executed on Blacklow Hill in Warwick - a monument stands there to comemorate this.

http://www.search.windowsonwarwickshire.org.uk/engine/theme/default.asp?theme=1573&text=0 Steve-g 19:06, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Lover, not "alleged" Lover
I find it strangely disappointing that, after seven centuries of people recognizing that Piers Gaveston had a homosexual relationship with King Edward II, our Bible-thumping, Dark-Age Wikipedians now find it necessary to sweep this bit of history under the rug.

No, it is central to the story and cannot be denied. Piers was executed at least in part for being gay. Denying this is like denying the Holocaust.68.211.77.10 07:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Piers Gaveston is described as Edward II's 'alleged' lover because, despite what you seem to think, there's really no direct historical evidence that the men were *definitely* lovers. Yes, they probably were. Certainly they were extremely close, emotionally. But without being able to time travel back to Edward II's bedchamber, there's no way of knowing for certain.

By the way, did you know that both Edward and Piers had illegitimate children as well as legitimate ones? And what's your evidence for claiming that P{iers was executed at least partly for being gay? Comparing denial of Piers' homosexuality to denial of the Holocaust is ludicrous and extremely offensive. AlianoreD 20:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The above Alianore is certainly right in calling the May 9th comment offensive!

Please let not all people who have been persecuted through time (which is just about everyone, at one time or another) compare their plight to jews throughout history, let alone during the holocaust period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.108.29 (talk) 17:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * These people were persecuted alongside the jews in the holocaust, ignoramus. Also, bisexuality exists. Good lord straight people are thick. 70.55.55.238 (talk) 13:40, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Which Roger Mortimer?
The reference to Roger Mortimer of Wigmore does not appear accurate. Gaveston was born after Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was dead. Roger Mortimer of Wigmore was succeeded by his son Edmund of Mortimer who died in 1304. Edmund was succeeded by his son Roger Mortimer who deposed and murdered Edward II.


 *  This text moved here from the article, where it was added at 13:13, July 7, 2007 (UTC) by 68.33.15.166. --Lambiam 15:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC) 

Link to Chief governor of Ireland instead of Lord Lieutenant of Ireland?
In the section "Ireland and return" appears "Further to this, he was appointed the King's Lieutenant of Ireland..." Lieutenant of Ireland links to Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, but that page states it's specifically about the role as existed from 1690 to 1922, well after Gaveston's time. Would Chief governor of Ireland be a more appropriate link? It does cover Gaveston's period, and the List of chief governors of Ireland it in turn links to does include him. ArthenNikolai (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)