Talk:Pig-Pen

Punctuation of name
I have gone ahead and moved this to "Pig-Pen (Peanuts)" to reflect that every time the character is referred to in dialogue of "Peanuts", it is spelled with a hyphen, and, in most "Peanuts" books is with a capital "P" on "Pen". The official Peanuts Web site lists him as "Pigpen", but then contradicts this by showing every appearance in comic strip examples, spelled with the hyphen. Charles Schulz wrote the strips and not the site, so I would take the strips as authoritative.rockhopper10r 22:45, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * I sort of think I recall it changing over the years, starting as one and later turning to the other, but it's a vague notion in my head and I could be wrong. I think I recall that at one time his name was in quotes, that being not his real name but merely what people called him, but the quotes were dropped later as it basically became his name, none other being given. -R. fiend 17:49, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Derrick Bang's "Peanuts FAQ" uses "Pig-Pen" in most cases. In a few references he leaves out the hyphen, but still spells it as two words. http://www.peanutscollectorclub.com/peantfaq.txt Schulz very often wrote compund words as two words, for example "boy friend" and "sand box", sometimes hypenated, sometimes not. The quotes were used for some time, as they were originally for Peppermint Patty, but were dropped. I'm fairly certain the hyphen in Pig-Pen's named remained.rockhopper10r 19:35, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * "R. fiend" has it right: Pig-Pen's name was originally in quotes, and sometimes in the 50s he actually had a real name also, being called "Pig-Pen" Franklin. That did not last long, and in time, the hyphens were dropped. - Voice from Finland, 16 May 2006

Pig-Pen's birth name
Can anyone find any non-Wiki reference that cites Pig-Pen as having any ohter name? The official Peanuts Web site showing his debut indicates he has no other name than Pig-Pen. Derrick Bang's aformentioned "Peanuts FAQ" records no other name for him. The entire Complete Peanuts run through 1960 cites no other name. Thank you. Rockhopper10r 18:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

ADG: Attention Deficit Gift
People need to consider that PIg-Pen is an almost unconscious representation of children with ADD. I don't consider this a disorder, since I am one, I consider it rather a unique gift. My whole life has been one of instantaneous dusty chaos, the same which PP has had to endure. But seeing the world the way I do, and the amazing abilities I have, the price I have had to pay, but the rewards I have achieved, makes Pig-Pen the singular character I can identify with in the Peanuts world. Peanuts has been a part of my life since the early 60's. My opinion only, but what if they had doped him up with Adderal, ignored the talents that he was born with? Now I made a big mistake, I followed conventional pressure and went to medical school, instead of writing comedy, or some other free and open contribution to the world. I do a good job, but only when I can apply my unique talents to the art of this profession, the rest, including organization, paper work, scheduling, and even keeping a neat office, I am totally lost. I would like to see what other people think of this theory. ContactGSW — Preceding unsigned comment added by ContactGSW (talk • contribs) 00:54, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Invariably quoted and other errors
I have some Peanuts Wp:COI, so I am avoiding editing the article directly, but there are some errors in it. The first is the statement that his name is invariably quoted, which is not the case. While Schulz started with using single quoted and then switched to double quotes, if you check the book The Dirt on Pigpen, you will find that staring on page 61, when we are somewhere in the mid-1960s, the quote marks disappear, and remain off until page 75, a 1981 strip, at which point the hyphen disappears. Quote marks are used variably after that.

Also, it is made unclear whether we are quoting the strip or A CB Christmas in the blockquote. The phrasing of the beginning is different in the strip. Also, we should put the exclamation point outside of "Pig-Pen", as it is outside of it in the strip.

A CB Christmas is called a "movie" once in the article, which is incorrect. It is a TV special.--Nat Gertler (talk) 21:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Paul Winchell
The article currently claims, without sourcing, that Paul Winchell voiced the character Pig-Pen in 1966, perhaps taking it from the unsourced claim over at the actor's article that he voiced the character inIt's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown. While the special itself does not have a credit for that voice. the book "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown": The Making of a Television Classic repeatedly credits the role (on pages 34 and 35) to Lisa DeFaria. Winchell's IMDb listing lists no such entry for 1966. (It would have been very odd to have Winchell in the part, as the Peanuts specials famously cast kids to do the kid roles, not a then-43 year old.) I have a WP:COI with regard to Peanuts and will not do the edit myself, but in the absence of any sourcing, could someone please remove that claim? --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:37, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I also removed this from Winchell's article for the same reason Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Reference to "The Human Dust Bowl" missing
Unfortunately I can not provide reference, but I remember that "Pig-Pen" is also occassionally referred to as "The Human Dust Bowl", which might be worthwhile to mention in the article - given that proper reference will be quoted. Dr.Big.Man (talk) 06:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Pig-Pen and Lord of the Flies
There was a long standing claim on this page, I think a bit of an attempt at original research even, that the strip which introduced Pig-Pen was directly referencing Lord of the Flies. Reasons I do not believe this, and have removed this: So yah... weird. Gotta admit, I myself believed this for a long time. JAYFAX (talk) 19:21, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Although the strip and the book were published the same year, the strip (July) was published before the book (September).
 * Picking up my copy of the book, the conversation in which which Piggy is introduced does not resemble this strip.

Naming
I'm avoiding editing this due to my Peanuts COI, but I recommend two changes. Thanks. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:10, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Someone just added this page to the category Category:Fictional characters without a name. That category requires the character to not have a nickname, which Pigpen clearly does. The category should be moved.
 * 2) In the infobox, there is a reference to unnamed parents. We do have a nickname for his father, "Pigpen, Senior", so that should go there. And he does have an unnamed mother, so that should be included.

PigPen Ranch
I see you added a photo of the "PigPen Ranch", and I see that in the descriptor for that file, you say that it was name for the character. Do you have a reliable source for that claim? Because "PigPen Ranch" was a common ranch name before the character was introduced. I can find pre-Peanuts references to ones in Kansas, North Dakota, and New Mexico. (Even if it is named for the character, I'm not sure it rises to appropriate inclusion here... but I won't delete it myself due to conflicts of interest.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 06:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Oasis boasts other Peanuts-themed artifacts. Snoopy Lane comes to mind. kencf0618 (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that may have been inspired by having a couple of things that were coincidentally Peanuts-y, so people decided to lean into it... and the ranch may have been one of the coincidences. I don't find any reference to this ranch in a newspapers.com search of Idaho papers, and a google search for "pigpen ranch" Idaho points only to listings of the Texas property of the same name which was recently on the market. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)