Talk:Pig (card game)

Formatting
This article really needs formatting- I've removed a lot of unnecessary wikilinks, but this article still could do with some TLC! It's on my to-do list, anyway. EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 16:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. – Morganfitzp 16:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge
Spoons has the same exact rules as Pig (card game), the only differences being the placing of the finger on the nose and the spelling out of P-I-G instead of S-P-O-O-N-S. The Pig variant is already mostly mentioned in the Spoons article. I call for a merge. – Morganfitzp 16:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that marginalizing the game of Pig by merging it with Spoons would be a travesty. I don't believe Pig is a variant of Spoons. I think that Spoons is a variant of Pig and, as such, the merge should happen the other way if at all. It seems that there is enough room in the wikiverse for independent listings and a link. Badrob 20:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Most of what is contained in Pig is present in the Spoons article, a merger of Pigs to Spoons is the right course of action. Chillinspinner 03:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Spoons is the only card game I've ever played that's entertained both young adults and their parents for hours. As such, it is unique, and desrves its own entry. My husband has played Pig and is against merging the articles. Not the same game.

Unmerge or better describe "Pig" in this article
I see no mention of the Pig variation (touching the nose instead of using spoons) in the current article. Since Hoyle describes the Pig game, we have a well-documented source describing it. Very likely it is older than Spoons. We need either a separate entry for Pig or a full description in the Spoons article that quotes Hoyle as a source.Off2Explore (talk) 05:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Spoons/Pit hybrid
I was first introduced to spoons using cards from the game Pit. Play has more in common with Pit, the only exception being the first person to corner a market grabs a spoon, then all players scramble for the spoons, and the one without a spoon gets -50 points. The mad turnless trading in Pit makes it much easier to sneak a spoon. I'm posting this here to see if this is a local/family variant I just happened to come across, or if it widespread enough to warrant inclusion in this article (or perhaps that of Pit). – Fëaluinix 06:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Running / Physical Contact
"Grabbing a spoon and running from the table isn't allowed". What is this supposed to mean? It doesn't make sense in the context of the game! HiraV 09:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Spoon
Is there a reason this page isn't at Spoons (game), with Spoons being a redirect to Spoon or to Spoon (disambiguation)? One would think that the kitchen utensil would be far more notable than a card game.-- VectorPotentialTalk 19:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Most people who type in "spoons" at Wikipedia are probably looking for the card game, so I think the page is good the way it is. --Jcbutler (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Broken game?
Maybe this is a question about the game and not the article, but what incentive is there to keep looking at your own cards? I recently played this by leaving my own cards face down in front of me and, on being handed a card from the person to my right IMMEDIATELY passed it to the person to my left without looking at it. My eyes were at all times on the spoons and I was easily the second person to grab the spoon. We assumed that we had forgotten a rule that provides an incentive to look at our cards, but this article mentions none. Is our understanding of the rules incorrect? If so, where in the article is the rule that prevents this strategy, and if not, should the strategy be added to the article? --Some Internet Lurker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.147.225 (talk) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, if everyone does that the game never ends. I don't think it's so much about strategy as having fun with the game.69.178.103.109 (talk) 09:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The game inventor clearly didn't allow for cheats lol. Bermicourt (talk) 17:40, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

History
According to the article, spoons was invented at Leavenworth prison in 1972. There are two sources given, but they do not actually specify this date and place, at least in the online form that is accessible. My first question is, is this actually true? (it seems too recent), and second, could anyone find a better source to verify that it is true? --Jcbutler (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I've heard several people speak of playing spoons prior to 1972. its possible that they played it at leavenworth, but the site says nothing of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lj1983 (talk • contribs) 18:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Photo
I replaced the photo of a hand of cards with a photo I took today of my family playing Spoons. It's my first upload, so feel free to edit how I inserted it into the sidebar if there's a better way. --Borgendorf (talk) 04:03, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

How related to other games?
The text says that this game is "in the Crazy Eights group of card games, closely related to Craits". (This is also mentioned on the Crazy Eights page.) I don't see any resemblance at all! What do they have in common that justifies this classification? Joule36e5 (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I found the answer -- http://www.pagat.com/eights/spoons.html describes a very different game which is listed as also having the name Spoons, though the spoon-grabbing is only one of several features in that one. Since that's not the game being described here, I've removed that reference.  Joule36e5 (talk) 07:20, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it worth adding a disambiguation note to the top of this page (perhaps pointing to Craits, and mentioning the Spoons variant there) so that these two games don't get confused again in the future? --McGeddon (talk) 10:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * My current thought is that it's not notable. Joule36e5 (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Spoons (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 21:17, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Origin
the suggestion that someone called "Regnal" or "Regional" Kence added the feature of spoons in 1964, possibly during the Vietnam War, has been twice removed as it is unsourced. If there are WP:RS to confirm the assertion, then obviously it can be added. Bermicourt (talk) 18:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

P.S. An internet search reveals not a single instance of either name. Bermicourt (talk) 09:25, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

1990?
What is the source for “Spoons” originating in 1990? I played it as a 4-H camp counselor in the 1970’s. Same rules as described here, and yes we called it “Spoons”. 98.192.193.83 (talk) 02:38, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The text says that Maguire "first recorded" the game of Spoons in 1990. Of course, like any game, it will have been played before its rules appear in a book. But if you can find an earlier written source - even if it only mentions the game in passing - that can be cited here. What we can't do is cite our own experience. Bermicourt (talk) 08:47, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

"Gris (card game)" listed at Redirects for discussion
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