Talk:Piggies

George Orwell
this song makes me think of Animal Farm! What&#39;s up Dr. Strangelove 01:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Other
The pigs in the starched white shirts are the press. They are stirring up the dirt around them, but always remain clean themselves.

Or perhaps some backhanded reference to animal farm. original research so dont include

It is said that Piggies is alot like "Eveline" by Django Reinhardt and Stephane Grappelli


 * Since this comment the comparison with Orwell has been sourced and included, but it doesn't work in my opinion - there are "little piggies" and cannibalistic "bigger piggies", in other words the piggies represent all human society, not just a ruling elite 81.101.197.228 (talk) 12:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Change from low to mid importance
works for me.  + +Lar: t/c 12:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Is the genre really rock? It is mentioned baroque and blues. Helpsloose 00:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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"Baroque" style?
Seems like a rather bold claim to make, and a highly opinionated one at that. Is there any reputable source to support this? Attys (talk) 00:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Antonin Dvorak. Theme & Variations in A-flat major, Op.36 - Variation VIII. I happened to catch a short section that compares to a short section in Piggies. --Xparasite9 (talk) 01:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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Length
I haven't recently checked out every article on Beatles songs, but I have looked at quite a few. It seems to me this is one of the longest. Does "Piggies" really warrant this much analysis? I think, for instance, the Manson section could be, maybe, two sentences. Wondering what others thing. --Daveler16 (talk) 14:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

"Helter Skelter theory"
The article states that this theory was Manson's, when in fact it is a hypothesis put forward by Vincent Bugliosi, as evidenced by the Wikipedia article on the subject: Helter_Skelter_(Manson_scenario).Xelkman (talk) 21:26, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not "evidenced" as such by what currently appears in the lead at Helter Skelter (scenario) – it just happens that an editor has worded the lead there to say as much. That's not to say I don't take your point to some extent: the related statements in this song article do need some qualification. But, Manson did interpret "Piggies" and other White Album songs as the Beatles foretelling of an apocalyptic race/class war and he believed the Beatles were communicating with him personally. This is according to some of his followers and associates, eg per a recent Ruling Stone article. He kept trying to contact the Beatles, apparently – that's referred to early on in a 1970 article (a mammoth piece, again in Rolling Stone), when David Dalton writes: "Why haven’t they gotten in touch? A simple phone call would do it. Surely they’ve received the telegrams, the letters. Surely they realize that he knows, he understands their glorious revelation; that he understands the whole fucking double album. Everywhere there’s lots of piggies / Living piggy lives ..."
 * In that same 1970 article, about halfway down the page, Manson says when asked about his interpretation of the Book of Revelations, chapter 9: "It’s the battle of Armageddon. It’s the end of the world. It was the Beatles’ “Revolution 9” that turned me on to it. It predicts the overthrow of the Establishment. The pit will be opened, and that’s when it will all come down. A third of all mankind will die ..."
 * He's then asked "Can you explain the prophecies you found in the Beatles’ double album?" When prompted with four song titles, Manson draws a diagram of some sort and says, "This bottom part is the subconscious. At the end of each song there is a little tag piece on it, a couple of notes. Or like in “Piggies” there’s “oink, oink, oink.” Just these couple of sounds. And all these sounds are repeated in “Revolution 9.” Like in “Revolution 9,” all these pieces are fitted together and they predict the violent overthrow of the white man. Like you’ll hear “oink, oink,” and then right after that, machine gun fire. [He sprays the room with imaginary slugs.] AK-AK-AK-AK-AK-AK!"
 * When asked if the Beatles intended the songs in that way, he says, "I think it’s a subconscious thing. I don’t know whether they did or not. But it’s there. It’s an association in the subconscious. This music is bringing on the revolution, the unorganized overthrow of the Establishment. The Beatles know in the sense that the subconscious knows."
 * I don't pretend to have any expertise on this, and would welcome input from someone who does. But it's clearly not true that Manson's theory about the Beatles' White Album relating to the overthrow of the Establishment was just a scenario invented by Vincent Bugliosi. What is accurate is that Bugliosi, supported by testimony from some of Manson's associates, tied together a scenario whereby Manson's Beatles/White Album obsession and his hold over the Family led to the murders in August 1969. JG66 (talk) 05:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)