Talk:Pigtail/Archive 1

What is the best way to cite common usage?
In my part of the U.S., this style is called "pigtails" instead of "bunches." What is the best way to cite this? I imagine that it might be mentioned obliquely in newspapers, etc., but that's not the sort of thing one can quite run a search for. This interpretation of the word isn't rare. Upon plugging "pigtails" into Google, more than half of the image results show people with unbraided hair. Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I found a source, but...
http://ambafrance-do.org/beauty/544.php looks a little bloggy to me, but it is a pretty complete discussion of the way the term "pigtails" is used. What is the best way to structure the citation? Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's another source that's not quite the New York Times, latest-hairstyles.com /kids/girls/pigtails.html. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Either merge?
this should either be merged or split out from Ponytail...

I'm on it! --babbage 19:12, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

This content is wrong, wrong, wrong. A pigtail is a plait or braid, not loose hair. Check the dictionaries. It is called a pigtail because it resembles a pig's tail. A pony tail has loose hair, just like a real pony's tail.

Pigtails can be single (like a Chinese queue) or there can be two. They differ from French braids because in the latter hair is gathered as the braid progresses, whereas in a pigtail the hair is all gathered together at the top.--Lubap 05:06, 22 April 2007 (UTC)lubap

Agreed. Have split off bunches into its own article and am attempting to clean up both pigtails and braid. Wombat1138 (talk) 21:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

This lady is very wrong...maybe she should check a farm animal book, maybe a book of butts....Pigs Tails are not braided. This lady is an idiot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.172.137 (talk) 00:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, don't insult other people's intelligence using such words. Cite your problem with the article clearly so we (the WIkipedia contributors) can "clean" this article.


 * On that note, apparently a lot of people do get confused over the terminology. We're on it. --Animeronin (talk) 10:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Would someone please provide evidence that "pigtails" is not a misnomer when used to refer to two ponytails. Site a source. Just because a lot of people use it, that doesn't make it correct.

A lot of people also misuse "irregardless" and "then" when they mean "than," but a lot of people making the same error doesn't make it less of an error.

And to the insulting person who notes that a pig's tail isn't braided, however rude you are, you are also correct.

They don't have two symmetrical tails either, my dear.

A pig has a bony tail with a short bunch of hair at the end and "pigtail" braid resembles this by being somewhat stiff, like a bony tail, with a short bunch of loose hair below the bottom-most hair band. Please try to respond in a civil tone or not at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.170.12.117 (talk) 02:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Please note in the article that pigtails is sometimes erroneously used to refer to symmetric ponytails if no one can cite a good source to back that usage as correct and acceptable. Or delete it. Dictionaries all appear to say that pigtails are braids and ponytails are loose bunches. Someone needs to fix this since articles are supposed to be based on fact rather than opinion. Thank you!


 * I found a number of professional hairstyle sites that use the term to refer to either two bundles of unbraided hair or to either braided or unbraided hair. Would someone show me the best way to cite them, please?  Also, kindly note that location-dependent differences in usage are "regional," not "erroneous." Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
I don't know anything about hairstyles or I'd do it myself, but this needs some work. It's a great article basically, just needs some tweaks to meet the appropriate standards. — Johan the Ghost seance 12:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Remove all instances of first person (eg. "conventions used in this article are my own [MOR]")
 * Fix "Orphaned content"
 * Generally make more encyclopedic in tone

Removed from article:
I removed this from the article as it seemed someone was working on this Deathawk 21:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

(Orphaned content)
To be dealt with later For some types of hair, pigtails may be curled into ringlets. Pigtails are most often worn by young girls, but teenage girls and adult women are also seen wearing pigtails. This variation, however, is the kind that goes below the ears. Some men also wear pigtails, such as Willie Nelson.

Reference to iridium 'pigtails'
I tried to find a source for this reference to iridium 'pigtails': 'Pigtails' is also the workname for when an iridium source is used by radiologists at worksites.

It seems the pigtails are referring to the same thing as the cabling term, see for instance this powerpoint presentation (warning, some graphic images from a radiation accident). The presentation shows a diagram of the pigtail as a small section of a connecting cable/hose/tube. Other than that, I have not been able to find a lot of information on iridium 'pigtails'. --Lost-theory 03:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Just found this from the DoE, which shows a clear picture of what the pigtail actually is (it is a connecting cable). --Lost-theory 03:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Pigtail connectors
It seems like the disambiguation to "fiber optics" and "plug" do not contain any information about pigtail connectors, so maybe it would be useful expand on it in a section at the end of this article (maybe include the iridium pigtail reference I wrote about above). You can see some pretty good starting info from here. --Lost-theory 03:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Pigtail connections
I added the electrical definition and derivation, but obviously disambiguation is needed, and I don't have the skill to do that. There should be lots of old photos of Edison era electrical equipment which show curly electrical pigtails in their glory. DPSheriff 16 August 2007

Confusion with "bunches"
Removed the following material as inaccurate; much of it could probably be modified to recycle into the proper "bunches" article. Wombat1138 (talk) 21:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Hair pigtails, in the strictest sense, most often refer to the joining of symmetric or semi-symmetric groups of hair (as viewed along the centerline of the scalp), secured with hair tie (e.g., scrunchie, rubber band, or similar) of some sort, with the majority of the hair allowed to hang free or secured in such a way as to not mix with any hair across a definitive part. (The term part is used here to indicate a natural or artificial separation of hair at the scalp, where the hair falls or is pulled in opposing directions.)

There are several broad types of pigtails. The term can refer to free-hanging, braided (plaited in British English), or secured hair; as long as the sections don't cross the part, the pigtail moniker applies.


 * The term pigtails refers to groups of hair joined at or near the scalp with ribbons, barrettes, rubber bands, or sorts of strings, and allowed to hang free to the ends of the hair.
 * The term braided pigtails refers to groups which have been braided/plaited part or all of the way down and secured at or near the ends of the pigtail. These can have one hair tie at the end, or at both ends, if the hair is pulled into regular pigtails first and then braided.
 * French braided pigtails are similar to braided pigtails, except that they are formed as a natural extension of two french braids. Each section of hair is braided as a French braid, with the tail either braided to the end or left completely unbraided (i.e., the braid is secured near the nape of the neck).  Unbraided and braided ends can be left hanging or rolled into buns (or otherwise dealt with creatively), and braided ends alone can be tucked back under the braid to form a loop.

Making pigtails
To create the most basic type of pigtail, part the hair along the centerline of the scalp and gather each section with a rubber band behind the ears, allowing the rest of the hair to hang free. Pigtails can be worn high on the head if you have shorter hair or to create the illusion of longer hair, or they can be worn down near the nape of the neck. Pigtails worn near the nape of the neck tend to be more comfortable if they are not tied too tightly; if tied too tight, they tend to cause headaches.

Children
Should it be mentioned that pigtails are more commonly seen on younger girls? Aldrich Hanssen (talk) 03:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As a minor detail, perhaps. Anything else, is irrelevant. --Animeronin (talk) 18:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Both pigtails and pigtail braids are a traditional hairstyle for young girls, even though they're not unique to young girls.  It's worth saying, if not worth dwelling on. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Electrical
At least in my part of the country, "pigtail" is commonly used to refer to loose power cords used in prototyping, such as a standard computer cord with the end connector removed (producing three loose wires that can be connected to equipment, and a standard plug that runst to the outlet). I don't have an external source, but if anyone can find one, I think that this warrants a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordShonus (talk • contribs) 05:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * My mom sometimes wears a pigtail. --Ben9201996 (talk) 13:00, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And your point, Ben9201996, is...? --Animeronin (talk) 18:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm in the UK
I've always known them as Pigtails, but only when there is two.  AJUK  Talk!! 00:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Picture
The current picture doesn't show a characteristic pigtail, which is shorter and kinked. Maikel (talk) 21:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, if the dictionary definition is going to take the fore here, then the first picture shown ought to reflect it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Merge
Pigtail and Queue are the same thing. It would be better to merge into one article. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 05:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Possibly, but that really isn't the source of the issue. This article needs to be retitled "pigtails" (plural) to more accurately reflect how the modern views the different hair styles. Also since the term pigtail, in this context, is American in origin the description should reflect more heavily that culture's view of its own term. A woman or man with long hair could have a single pigtail and still maintain a semblance of professionalism. Having pigtails however, especially when starting higher up on skull away from the neck, is regarded as something more childlike. Also the origins of both the words and hair style are different. Pigtails arose from personal choices based upon practicality and personal style preference. The Queue arose from governmental and societally imposed laws and traditions, respectively. As such, I think there is more then enough evidence presented to have the articles remain separate. Darqcyde (talk) 17:07, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Cody Lundin
Why isn't Cody Lundin featured and/or pictured in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.177.182 (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2011 (UTC)