Talk:Pillion

Riding Bitch
"Riding bitch" is also used in America to denote sitting in between two other people, where there is often a hump". Does this refer to riding a car? --Bensin 22:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've never heard it used for riding between people or in a car before. I've always heard of riding in back on a motorcycle as riding bitch or sitting in the bitch seat, and both riding bitch and bitch seat will redirect to Pillion. So why isn't it mentioned in the article? --Mike | Contrib 04:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have been riding motorcycles in the US since the 1980s, and been acquainted with a wide range of bikers, including crusty, wiry, mean old "motorcycle club" bikers who built their own bikes from parts; high-price touring bikers with riding gear that cost more than my car; and most things between. In all that time, with all those people, I've heard "riding pillion" dozens of times, "riding two up" a couple times, and "(someone) riding (on or in) back" a handful of times.  I have heard "riding bitch" refer to car back seats and pickup bench seats dozens of times, sometimes by the same bikers who have used "riding pillion" to refer to bikes.  I have never, ever, encountered "riding bitch" or any other reference to "bitch" as a reference to seating position when talking about motorcycles except in this article.  All of this was in the US.  I'm surprised that apparently all this has happened in a place where people say "riding bitch" and not "riding pillion" when referring to motorcycles. - Apotheon (talk)
 * I Have often heard the term used in conjunction with riding between people in a car. However, I don't see the utility of mentioning it in this article. Winston Spencer (talk) 05:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

"Riding Bitch" as I understand it means occupying the back seat as the second passenger. The first passenger, in the front seat, is "riding shotgun." Also, I'd like to strike "vulgar" from the discussion of riding bitch on the page, but the bot rejected that edit as unconstructive, and I get where it's coming from. 2605:A601:46D:B01:CABC:C8FF:FEA5:82F4 (talk)

Historical references section
For a word that dates back to the mid 1600's I am wondering if the Historical reference shouldn't go back a bit farther than motorcycles. With roughly 300 years of prior usage, going back to WWII seems a modern reference.

Housiemousie (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2013 (UTC)