Talk:Pimp/Archive 1

old discuusion
I agree with Anon that this is potentially useful info, which is why I merged it, rather than deleting it. However, I think a seperate article here isn't the correct way to structure the subject. To me, it'd be like having seperate articles on murderer and murdered person. That said, I'll happilly give way on the subject - have fun with the article. :) Martin 00:47, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada. I deleted that. --NoPetrol 00:00, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Update: Never mind. It seems that prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada- just not in Las Vegas.  --NoPetrol 00:02, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I wonder if this article needs to be so long and detailed. Most of the info is covered in the Prostitution article. I think the part about the portrayal of pimps in pop culture is very useful, but most of the other stuff was more relevant to prostitution than pimps. Also, much of the article was subjective. (e.g. How prostitutes "suffer" under pimps, prostitutes as victims of pimps, etc.) Needs a bunch of work. -Smedley Hirkum 05:03, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Merge?
I would propose that this article be merged with the Procuring (prostitution) article, perhaps under a new title. Pandering, pimping and procuring are all variants of the same concept -- third-party management of sex work. I would further agree that, while the details of "pimp culture" are interesting, they need to be backed up with citations; also, these details seem to be focused on pimps 'in the United States' as opposed to other countries/cultures. Desmond Ravenstone (talk) 14:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

"Most pimp-prostitute relationships are suggestive and guided"?
This statement, taken from the introduction of this article, is questionable. Aside from a few testimonies (see the talk subject "misinformed" on this page), is there conclusive quantitative evidence that most pimp-prostitute relationships aren't abusive? This brings into question the definition of pimp. Is someone who traffics sex slaves considered a pimp? How can we know whether most people on the management side are abusive or not? Where are the numbers? Or is "pimp" only used to describe a particular subset of the industry comprised mostly of benevolent flesh peddlers? --Dante456 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this statement is controversial and needs to either be sourced, changed or removed. --I 05:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

A reasonable and quick edit might be to replace "most" with "many": "Many pimp-prostitute relationships are suggestive and guided, etc." Are there any opinions? --Dante456 01:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that would fall under the category "weasel words." Surely there are economists who study this sort of thing, or government studies to refer to. After all, this industry is a concern of the law.

I'd like to add the current reference for the concept of guidance. http://www.realmencook.com/site/html/articles/parents.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribeofargos (talk • contribs) 23:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Photos
Uh, why aren't there any photos on this page? I thought this would be a perfect page for 'em, and yet- nothing! Not a single man in a funky suit! Why? Popsix 21:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * hahahahahaha i don't think that'd be suitable. those are more how pimps are portrayed in contemporary urban culture. 82.69.107.6 (talk) 19:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Dubious pimps

 * Keep an eye out for user Nex O-Slash. A friend pointed out the addition of 'John Quincy Adams' to the famous pimps list, which I deleted. History can attribute this addition to him. I'm a comparative n00b here, so I have no idea (without researching) whether further action can be taken. Spamguy 06:19, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

John Quincy Adams was accused of pimping by Andrew Jackson in Jackson's 1824 campaign for the presidency of the United States. This can be verified by doing a search on the internet. (23 Mar. 2005)

I think some of the others on that list could use looking at, such as Calouste Gulbenkian. I can't find anything showing him to be a "pimp" ;) 14:15, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Nor can I. I'm going to delete it. Jackliddle 17:11, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I just removed *Robert "Bobbo" Simione as unverifiable -WCFrancis 01:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

"J Wags" removed... unverifiable. --Jamott 21:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Brad Robinson the one and only the most unforgetable  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Maybe we should split this article in two
There's a definite difference between actual pimps who control prostitutes and cultural pimps who wear lots of bling. Perhaps we should expand on this by creating two separate articles: "Pimp" and "Pimp (culture)" or something to that effect. Smedley Hirkum 21:51, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, Pimp as a positive term? Perhaps "diddler" (child molestor) will be the next pimp word. "Shaggyz a real diddler, with all those young hos on 'is arm."

Pimps!?
i added Mathan Panchinglam on, because he claims he is a pimp, maybe he is..but he is! because his music explains it!
 * So...you are telling me all the artist listed are pimps...which means they sleep with hoes!?
 * D

>x<ino 12:27, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm removing 50/Curtis Jackson... although he does fit some of the pimp criteria, he hasn't really self-styled him like Ice-T or Snoop Dogg. The lyrics to P.I.M.P. are more of a story, not his life. Also adding back Jelly Roll Morton... multiple sources indicate he had pimped in his career.--Jamott 22:01, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

are you sure about that!?trust me.. you don't know all this fool singers they are all doing gangbanging with some hoes, but we just don't know they kept it has a sercret and how come Ice -T is a pimp!? >x<ino 23:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Xino I know what you mean... but I think that is more part of the "rap game" than true pimping. As for Ice-T, he grew up in South Central LA (named himself after Iceberg Slim) and is alleged to have pimped, not to mention his various songs and his 'educational documentary' entitled "Pimpin' 101". --Jamott 21:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Word origin of 'pimp'
Where did the word 'pimp' originate? It's strange how tags and names of formerly ill-received language can become the "in" thing in later cultures. I have looked a bit online and haven't found much yet to indicate the language it might have come from, so anyone out there...please lend a hand or point another direction. I'm quite curious. Thanks. 67.160.183.64 18:12, 16 November 2005 (UTC)C.Crawford
 * French, apparently. Natgoo 17:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The word pimp is derived from the word Primp which is a verb that means to groom, spruce up, and gussy up. The word is derived from Primp because the male pimps usually spend more time in the mirror than the ladies. And this is a fact. Hence the elobarate apperances of the Pimp.

Misinformed
This article is filled with incorrect assumptions. I am a prostitute and I have a pimp. He does not abuse me in any way, and he did not get me addicted to drugs; as a matter of fact, he helped me stop using drugs and alcohol. I am a better person for having him in my life. As for the rest of the comments listed here, if you would like to know what a real pimp is and would like to gain some knowledge on all aspects of life, visit LINK PIMPING REMOVED.

isnt prostitution illegal? cant the poliece throw u in jail for confessing a crime on the internet? -68.252.125.121

68.252.125.121 is forgetting that this skank didn't sign and thus cannot be prosecuted. ReverendG 03:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * you're both forgetting that she didn't say where she lives; there are many places where prostitution is legal. and anyway, the police need more than a claim to arrest you - otherwise every rapper who talks about drive-bys and smoking dope would be in jail now. --dan 00:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

REFERENCES: Why is Bishop Don Magic Juan not listed as a pimp? Wikopedia has him listed as a hip hop artist. He was a retired pimp first. Pimpin Ken's book is listed as a reference but why isn't he named in the PIMP section? Secondly it says "really really pimping in the south" is the highest rated movie on pimping. "Cross Country Pimping" is the most popular and highest rated, most bootlegged pimp movie out. ---MISSLASVEGAS=== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.26.40.96 (talk) 02:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Pimp outlawed
In the opening pharagraph, it states ''In 1949, the United Nations adopted a convention stating that prostitution is incompatible with human dignity, requiring all signing parties to punish pimps and brothel owners and operators, and to abolish all special treatment or registration of prostitutes. The convention was ratified by 89 countries, with the exception of Germany, the Netherlands, Australia, the United States and others.'' This is quite difficult to comprehend. Why did countries like the US and Germany not enfore the convention...? -ZeroTalk 08:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * because prostitution then would go on on illegal terms (like in russia), with lot more criminality about it. as prostitution is legal in germany the whores have some standards, healthcare and social security.


 * And just in case you are wondering: While prostitution is legal in germany, pimping is not. Cisz Helion 07:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

something wrong with etymology
a verb can't mean "alluring in outward appearance" etc. maybe this should read "to be alluring ..."? Benwing 02:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

"Illegal in US" template
A warning is not needed. Wikipedia is an open, free encyclopedia, not a child-friendly book pasted in warning stickers. SteveSims 03:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm just going to take it out. Topher0128 00:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

How bout a picture of a pimp?

Malcolm X
Malcolm X is a pimp? Any proof?

-I concur. Cite something or delete that crap!

He was a pimp before he went to prison and cleaned up his act. It's in his Autobiography.


 * I haven't read his book for quite a few years. However, as  I remember it, he was the leader of a ring of burglers, which included his girl friend, but not a pimp.  I took him off the list and a few others too. Steve Dufour 13:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. I also read the book and found no mentioning of his being a pimp, so I deleted the Malcolm X reference.  Kemet 16:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

socioclastic?
"A popular opinion is that women cannot be called pimps, as the word implies male socioclastic dominance" how did socioclastic get in here? it's not in OED, not on dictionary.com, and the only google result i could find (ignoring other sites that quote this exact line) was a pdf of a book about "a picture of the world in 2025, as shaped by science and technology and based on forecasts and assumptions about that future world" that has it in "a sampling of words introduced to English in the past two years". so it's a word somebody made up and said would be popular in 20 years. i am all for people making and using new words, but nobody reading the article will know what this one means without further research. so anyway, this is my longwinded way of saying i am taking the word out, and while i'm at it rephrasing to avoid things like 'a popular opinion'. --dan 01:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Wikipedia is intended for everyone to understand. Jecowa 03:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Pimp Image
I've been trying to add an image of a pimp to this article, but when I follow thew standard procedure it never appears. Can someone please fix this. Thanks, Boris Allen 00:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Instead some anon has just removed the image. Unless I am told otherwise why exactly this should not appear on the article, I intend to put it back up whenever this happens--Boris Allen 08:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

An error has occurred and the Wikimedia software believes a thumbnail exists for the the sizes 200px, 250px, and 300px, although these were never created or these were created and deleted by someone. That would be a funny prank. The image will appear if the size is set to another value. That picture isn't very professional in appearance though. It looks like it was taken with a point-and-click camera (I'm guessing a camera phone or other cheap digital camera) in a poorly lit room. The image also does not portray a pimp as described in the article as one wearing "wild, flashy clothes." The person in the Image:pimp.jpg photo is not wearing anything that could be described as "wild" or "flashy." For comparison, this man. is garbed in wild, flashy clothes. It would be nice if this article included an image, but not this one. Jecowa 21:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Puempfrage
In the "Other Uses" section, it says the german word "puempfrage". I presume this is taken from an english site, since "ue" is the web way of writing ü. Please correct and make it "pümpfrage". Alex2143 07:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

"A pimp finds and manages clients for __a prostitute__ and engages __them__ in prostitution..."

There is a disagreement of plurality (marked) in the first sentence of the article. I am not a registered user, and in four days I'm not going to remember to change this. Someone should replace "a prostitute" with "prostitutes".

grammar
"A pimp finds and manages clients for __a prostitute__ and engages __them__ in prostitution..."

There is a disagreement of plurality (marked) in the first sentence of the article. I am not a registered user, and in four days I'm not going to remember to change this. Someone should replace "a prostitute" with "prostitutes". Oconnor664 00:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like someone has changed this already per your request. Thanks for proof-reading. Jecowa 18:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Current Photo
I don't agree that this photo represents a stereotypical pimp. There are also issues with using a photo of a specific person to illustrate this concept. I'm going to revert the photo for now, let's discuss it on this page and reach a concensus before putting it back on, okay? janejellyroll 01:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I also don't believe the photo belongs in the article. What stereotype does this illustrate? It's a person with a sideways cap and an earring. You can see people dressed like that at the mall. Joyous! | Talk 02:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The photo has no place here. It's completely random. --Strait 04:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing we're talking about Image:Pimp.jpg here. Although the person in this image could be described by the adjective "pimp" in American slang (which means cool), I agree that it doesn't portray a stereotypical pimp (which means a person who solicits customers for prostitution and acts as manager for prostitutes). Jecowa 01:21, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Pimp.jpg
As a lot of you are aware already, I spent a fair bit of time and effort dressing like a pimp and then photographing myself, and uploading the subsequent image onto this site, specifically to enhance this article. Unfortunately, shortly after I added it, along came the trolls to remove it, claiming it was not appropriate. Well, I won't give up the fight that easily. If you want to see the image, click here I really need all the help I can get on this one, so please vote here so that my image may be placed in this article somewhere. Thanks--Boris Allen 16:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll have to agree with the "trolls" above and say that picture does not represent in any way what pimps supposively look like. I'm guessing you are going to warn me like you did the other user and I'll just say its not going to help you in any way. Your use of a custom tag is in no way appropriate or proper on a article page and should have been submitted as a template rather than grafted on an article. Gdo01 17:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Emotionally-manipulative image
Recently, an image of a 1913 statuette depicting a girl child being sold by a working class man was uploaded in the articles “prostitution”, “pimp” and “child prostitution”. While this statuette has no doubt had the effect of moral resent and repugnance in general on its 1913 upper class audience, the informational value of it in the “prostitution” and “pimp” articles is hard to see. The only justification of it would be to visually describe what prostitution is supposedly like. In the latter case, this amounts to emotional manipulation and POV. Current prostitution should be described through 21st century documentation, rather that 1913 art. I’m removing it. Alfons Åberg 05:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopaedia, it deals with historical, as well as contemporary, accounts of pimping. The statuette caused a minor uproar at the time it was commissioned - and as long as the image caption says that it is depicting the "white slavery" of the time, and not meant to be indicative of all prostitutes, it is not "emotionally manipulative" in any way. Restoring image, unless you want to try an RfC. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You say that "The statuette caused a minor uproar at the time it was commissioned". I do maintain, however, that the statue is an artists enterpretation of something. We need to distinguish between prostitution _per se_ and _popular perceptions_ of prostitution. Your image illustrates perceptions among artists and their audience. I sincerely think this would fit nicely in an article that could be named Popular perceptions of prostitution. I do maintain that it is "emotionally manipulative" to suggest, that pimping equates men forcing girl children into sexual slavery, which is what the image suggests in this context. Alfons Åberg 09:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No single image can fulfill every function that you want to illustrate in an article, that's why I added, eight images to Prostitution last night, all illustrating different aspects of the trade. Some are "positive", some are "negative", but claiming we therefore shouldn't use this image is like claiming that Image:Bmc perrache.JPG "gives the impression that all prostitutes work in vans" or that Image:1787-prostitutes-caricature.jpg shouldn't be used because it suggests all prostitutes are cheerful tax-evaders. The image fills its role in the article - it just needs other images to balance out and show other sides as well. Same deal with "Pimp", though I had trouble finding free images of procurers as easily last night...hopefully soon though - there must be some paintings and such at least. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 14:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I strongly suggest that the current image used for this page of a man touting a naked child be removed. It is not inciteful or helpful in presenting this image to the reader in what should be a factual, unbiased and non-emotive explanatatory article. In fact, I suggest this entry is best left without any imagery, as images will tend to either subliminally glamourise or condemn pimping.Jarobi (talk) 06:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A healthy mixture of images is much better than "no images" - can I suggest you take a few minutes to try and find other images to complement this article? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 18:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

"Other uses" section
I've drastically trimmed the largely unsourced "Other uses" section. I've left in the "despicable person" meaning which is sourced to a published dictionary. I've removed one statement that is sourced to a website called "Urban Dictionary", it isn't a reliable source. --Tony Sidaway 17:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Pimp can also mean a guy wearing pink.And people also say "pimpin'".It's like saying "cool". They also say "pimped out". --Strongman123 02:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Sydney Biddle Barrows
Sydney Biddle Barrows should be included as a notable pimp/madame. --User:anonymous 22:30, 16 Oct 2007 (CDT)

Pimps in Popular Culture
From personal experience, and a true participant of the new pop culture; wearing the moniker.., International Bleu, I must share with the masses, readers of Wikipedia, a perfect image of a 'pimp' and REAL 'pimpin`' as portrayed in popular culture today can only be visioned by paying homage to the Godfather of the Pimpin`-- "FILLMORE SLIM." Fillmore Slim is a true icon of the lifestyle he has lived for over a half-century. He is loved and respected by the majority of the hip-hop culture, and still exist in this era with profound stories to tell about The Game!

To obtain an insight of a pimp's life from one of Fillmore Slim's successors, the generation of pimps the surely embraces his legancy; read..., "PIMP: THE 2ND COMING... REFLECTIONS OF MY LIFE, By NOBLE DEE." --International Bleu (talk) 08:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)International Bleu Now there's to images of the pimpin' posted. Someone mentioned that an image of a 'pimp' as portrayed in popular culture today was added to this article, then removed. It does make sense to have a picture of what is today perceived to be clothing that a pimp might wear/what one might look like. ArdenD 18:01, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't that term of pimp derive from 70's blaxploitation movies, where pimps were flashy and flamboyant characters, portrayed almost heroically? 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (&lt; \) (2 /) /)/ * 12:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Pimp Business?
Pimp Business? You've got to be kidding me. that is the funniest thing I've seen all day. 'Pimp business' on Wikipedia. Don't revert. Just :D 00:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)~

No mention of 'Pimp culture'?
I just came across this article, and I'm somewhat surprised by what it doesn't cover: the modern 'pimp culture' or 'pimp style', associated with hip-hop culture. As someone says above, it may be more based on sterotypical images of pimps in 1970s exploitation films, but that doesn't make it any less significant or influential a trope. Indeed, it's probably the main thing most people think of when they hear the word 'pimp' today, rather than the reality of prostitution; so I'd say it merits at least a mention. Terraxos (talk) 03:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Pimp in the modern idiom for digital culture / slang for being a loser
Something worth considering, that the word Pimp is being used often in the term "You've been pimped" or "pimping away". Otherwise meaning, shamed.

It's used quite a bit by the Gen Y crowd and was one of the repeated jokes used by Kevin Smith at Comic Con 2008 after he shamed a heckler.

as seen in this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ou2mVnElp6c

Just something to consider.--Scribeofargos (talk) 19:43, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You are so wrong man, pimp is not used as negative these days, When YOu car has been Pimped is upgraded, bettered, POSITIVE, when you are a Pimp Daddy, thats good, meaning you have all the gals, kna' mean?, dont confuse people if u dont know what you are talking about --Josecarlos1991 (talk) 06:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we've already included the positive points and the negative ones. To say explicitly I'm wrong in my observation without offering any reference is rather biased. This isn't a shorthand dictionary looking for the lowest common denominator of information that the basest of souls can understand. We're trying to present a well balanced and accurate evolution of the word here, through all of its uses so people can see the diversity of the word. As that grill and fuzzy coat fall out of fashion, you may find yourself pimping away. A younger crowd seems to already see it that way. Urban Dictionary

Scribeofargos (talk) 21:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits
Dhruv Patel in Hindi? Really? Note that there are various redirects to here relating to this too. JMiall ₰  09:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

In popular culture
Someone removed THУ ENTIRE 'In popular culture' section? Who? And why? This looks almost like vandalism to me. Netrat (talk) 12:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It was removed by User:Jbntj on the 5th of August 2007 in this edit. Alfons Åberg (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the section was deleted because it was 1) unsourced, 2) dealing entirely with matters in the U.S. and 3) had a lengthy account of pimps in fiction but not about pimps and prostitution in other cultural contexts. For instance, popular perceptions of pimps and prostitution would be relevant. I'm sure there are quite a few sociologists and others who have been dealing with the issue. Does anyone else have any suggestions about this? Alfons Åberg (talk) 17:13, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) What sources may be needed to prove that films like Willie Dynamite and Super Fly (as well as songs such as P.I.M.P. or Bo$$ Playa) are about pimps? Isn't it obvious? 2) US-centric description is better than no description at all. And I strongly doubt other cultures has produced any significant artistic descriptions of pimps. Prostitutes were frequent heroines of European literature, almost always portraited as victims of circumstances, with pimps only as background characters (at least in Russian classics) 3) Again, this is better than nothing. And I'm sure popular music (limited to funk and gangsta rap) and films plus maybe literature are the only mediums with influential works of art about pimps ("about pimps" is not the same as "mentioning pimps"). Yes, there are some examples as "White Slave" statue that is used in this article, but they not as nearly famous as Super Fly, Snoop Dogg or pseudo-pimp fashion of funk and disco. But you you wish, you can add them, why not... 4) I think the section was deleted because of political reasons. 5) The section should be restored. I have not seen serious reasons why it should not be here. Netrat (talk) 09:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Who is the main admin or editor of this article?
Cause i wanna know this, can i take a picture of myself with a chinchilla coat of my mommy, a purple hat, a grill in my teeth and a cane and upload it and put in this articles?, cause i noticed that theres is no picture of a pimp in this mother--Josecarlos1991 (talk) 06:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Who is the main admin or editor of this article?
Cause i wanna know this, can i take a picture of myself with a chinchilla coat of my mommy, a purple hat, a grill in my teeth and a cane and upload it and put in this articles?, cause i noticed that theres is no picture of a pimp in this mother--Josecarlos1991 (talk) 06:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Edit Requests
I'm declaring this section for requesting edits to the page, since it's semi-protected.


 * Rather than disapproval of prostitution, this attitude is due to the pimp is being economically supported by his women and is therefore less of a man. -> Rather than disapproval of prostitution, this attitude is due to the pimp being economically supported by his women and therefore less of a man. -- Quindraco
 * Good job finding those grammatical errors, Quindraco. Jecowa 06:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Many of the claims for how the pimp subculture operates can be found at:

http://www.lawhaha.com/strange.asp#A43

Please add to citations.

David Samra (talk) 19:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Disambig?
There are so many songs, albums, books, other Media etc. called "Pimp"... Shouldn't there be a disambiguation page? Father McKenzie (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Players, "gorilla" pimps, finesse pimps, etc.
I can't edit the article, but they are indeed referred to in U.S. vs. Pipkins (http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf) referenced elsewhere in the article. Note that should be "guerilla," not "gorilla." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.65.91 (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Pimp as an acronym?
I remember hearing a puppet on one of Jeff Dunham's shows on Comedy Central that said he was something along the lines of a "Player In a Management Position. PIMP". Just thought I should contribute to the party. xbskid (talk) 20:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That may ba a backronym. -- Banj e  b oi   03:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Pimp Culture
I thought is would be good at least to include one external link to a store that shows the new products that people buy to go to places such as Pimp 'N Ho that is coming up in september on the long weekend, at places such as Player's Ball that happens in January and at other Pimp 'N Ho parties all over las vegas, las angeles and other parts of US. I hope people don't revert it, at least they will just modify it if they the statement is badly worded.


 * I removed the link, because Wikipedia strongly discourages links to commercial sites. Joyous  (talk) 11:14, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

archiving
I'm boldly adding auto archiving for stale threads older than 45 days with a minimum of 7 threads to be kept on the page. -- Banj e b oi   03:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

POV?
It seems that the intro doesn't give a very balanced account of the relationship between pimp and prostitute. I'm no expert on these matters, but why would these girls tolerate such abusive and parasitic criminals in their lives? Answer; Surely pimps give their girls a degree of security and status in exchange for their tricks. Prostitutes who aren't represented by a pimp may be more vulnerable to the street's dangerous elements.

Pimps use charisma and bling and to attract and keep their girls. If he's good at his job, wears fine clothing, drives a nice shiny pimpwagon and most importantly provides good connections, his girls will respect him. He will use 'pimpnosis' to dazzle them and they will do their best to please him. It has to be a two-way relationship otherwise it wouldn't exist. This article doesn't reflect that.

I'm not suggesting the article should promote pimping or get sucked into the hip-hop/pop culture zeitgeist that seems to want to glomourise the pimp, indeed any reference to pimp culture should probably be redirected to a separate page, but IMO the intro at least should be less POV against the pimp. Traveller palm (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Word up playa thay be diss'n a pimps lovin' ways yo. We needs us some pro pimpin' POV up n her.--  The Pimp Hand   holla  19:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

snoop dogg?
I don't believe he is an actual pimp and if so why doesn't it say that on the snoop dogg page? also somebody add fillmore slim on the list of pimps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 500killer (talk • contribs) 03:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Skank Agent
Nowadays people who could be loosely defined as "pimps" prefer to be called Skank Agents. A Skank Agent isn't a pimp, it is an agent that has skanky friends. I'm new here, but i think if someone types "Skank Agent" in the searchbox, it should at the very least direct to pimp in the interim. Also, can someone write a new article on Skank Agentry and get it approved for Wikipedia? Much appreciated Ron Pattinson (talk) 08:45, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge Discussion
I suggest merging this article into Procuring (prostitution), because that is the legal term. I also think occupation articles are named after the word for the occupation itself not that for the "occupant". - Timur lenk (talk) 23:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. Also, given that the two articles are basically about the same phenomenon, there is no need for two articles. And the multitude of articles tends to produce POV forks. Alfons Åberg (talk) 11:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Strongly disagree. While the articles essentially cover the same topic, the term "pimp" is more widely and commonly understood. See WP:Contested vocabulary. I would recommend merging Procuring (prostitution) → Pimp. The Pimp article could provide a section on legal terminology, covering both Procuring (prostitution) and Pandering. Cindamuse (talk) 13:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Incredibly Poorly Written
This article strikes me as extremely stupidly written and biased, even in the first paragraph. A pimp is not specifically someone who finds underage and "for what ever reason" susceptible women. Or take this.

"At the top there is the pimp who runs the business. Below the pimp is the bottom girl. She acts in a way like an office manager, keeping tabs on the neighborhood when the pimp is away, keeping the pimp apprised of the law enforcement activity, and collecting money from the prostitutes."

This is, let's face it, stupid. It's poorly written, and the citation doesn't link to anything.

Someone fix this article.

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In response to the above statement, Agreed. A few years back I edited the first paragraph (and the article in general) to be more factual and informational. Even if one thinks the activity is wrong or has negative consequences, one of the most important but onerous responsibilities of an editor is to meticulously present information in the most factual and unbiased format. Moreover, the article gives undue weight to current (at the time of the edit) practices with specific regional slang. After the first few sentences, the article effectively holds zero informative value. A discussion of the (I'm guessing quite extensive) history of the practice and the various forms it takes/took in different cultures would be of much greater value. Jgreeter (talk) 01:17, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 68.39.243.39, 18 April 2010
editsemiprotected

May I edit this page?

68.39.243.39 (talk) 05:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * What would you like to edit? — Mike   Allen   05:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Use of Tattoos
Basically nothing in this paragraph is supported by the given sites and should be removed. I'd remove it but the page is semi-protected for no obvious reason. 128.114.59.182 (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the comments regarding tattoos are supported in both references provided. Cindamuse (talk) 23:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Please read the actual linked reference. It says nothing of the sort. TJ Black (talk) 02:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I have read it and it supports the content offered in the article. Please refrain from POV pushing through deletion of sections and content. Your edits equate to vandalism. Cindamuse (talk) 02:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Where, in either linked ref, does it say any of the following things:
 * Many pimps tattoo prostitutes as a mark of "ownership"
 * The tattoo will often be the pimp's street or even his likeness
 * The mark might be as discreet as ankle tattoo, or blatant as a neck tattoo, or large scale font across the prostitute's lower back, thigh, chest, or buttocks
 * If a prostitute comes under the domain of another pimp, the previous pimp's tattoo might either be removed or simply crossed out and replaced with her new pimp's name.
 * I'm not seeing it. And as these aren't supported by either ref, please explain how I'm POV pushing by removing them. Also please explain why it's POV pushing to remove "type= Criminal" from the info box when nothing in the definition implies that pimps are necessarily criminal? To state that is potentially even a BLP violation. TJ Black (talk) 02:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The general consensus is that paragraphs/sections of sorts need support of at least one source. The entry on the branding of prostitutes with tattoos is supported through two sources. Additional links are certainly available, but link farms are not appropriate. And honestly, trying to claim that pimping is not criminal is a stretch, or in other words, an attempt at POV pushing. Seriously, just stop. Cindamuse (talk) 03:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop what? Trying to bring the article into conformity with wikipedia guidelines? Or do they just not apply to this article for some reason? If so, then it should be explicitly marked as such. If not, then please address the questions raised above instead of just dismissing them, distorting my words, and repeatedly slandering other editors with false accusations of vandalism and POV pushing. Thank you. TJ Black (talk) 03:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I butt in? I think you are both right and both wrong. First, I think (this is my personal opinion) that the paragraph makes a bit (too) much out of two mentions, one of which is an op-ed piece. But the proper course of action here is not to remove the entire paragraph, since the two references are to reliable sources, and there is no violation of any kind here. The statements summarized above by TJ Black are more or less verified by the articles, but one may disagree about the depth and extent of those discussions in the articles. Conceivably though, sources could be found--removing it, and removing those sources, is at the least disruptive. At the same time, the section as it stands is, in my opinion, insufficiently verified. As for the criminal part, I don't get that at all--as far as I know, pimping is against the law (in most countries). That makes it criminal (in most countries). End of discussion. To want to remove that qualification is indeed disruptive POV pushing, and I urge TJ Black to refrain from making such edits. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for actually discussing content. I don't know what Cindamuse is hoping to accomplish by throwing out false accusations and refusing to discuss content, but it's very disheartening. I proposed something similar to what you said above on their talk page - reduce the section to 1 sentence, as that's all that's conceivably supported by the refs, and since 1 sentence isn't sufficient for it's own section, merge it into the previous paragraph. As for the remainder of the paragraph, it's purely original research, not backed by the given refs at all. An eminently reasonable compromise, but for some reason Cindamuse refuses to even discuss it.
 * As for defining pimping as criminal, you give an argument that it isn't and then conclude that it is. So it has to be removed as a potential BLP violation. Either that or remove the list of "Notable pimps and madams". It's one or the other, to suggest anything else means violating wikipedia's core principles. Thanks again for engaging in actual constructive discussion. That's the only way wikipedia can work; disruptive editors like Cindamuse are not contributing. TJ Black (talk) 19:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

<--No, I didn't give an argument that pimping is not criminal. I said it is against the law, and thus I think that "Criminal" is proper in the infobox. You can call for verification, but the argument that this is a BLP violation is quite a stretch. The list has nothing to do with that--I assume that those person's pimpness is well-established in their articles. BTW, I removed the unverified part from the Tattoo section, with an edit summary explaining why. Also, please don't call Cindamuse disruptive; their actions have been, in my opinion, in perfect agreement with Wikipedia's guidelines, and it is best not to let it go that far. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you said it's illegal in some countries, and thus not uniformly criminal. And calling everyone listed on this page a criminal is a BLP violation. And most editors would consider reverting edits with no justification while making false accusations and refusing to discuss content disruptive, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. As mentioned before, please mark this page with a template stating that it's exempt from wikipedia's core policies. That would save a lot of trouble all around, don't you agree? Thanks. TJ Black (talk) 21:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your sarcasm, as well as your twisting my words, is duly noted. Go ahead and mark it with a template yourself, since you are making that claim. But please try and gauge the opinion of other editors, to see if they agree with your reading of events. If my edits (and those of Cindamuse) are not in agreement with WP core policies, I will gladly stand corrected. I look forward to receiving a notification that says you have alerted the community at Content noticeboard or Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard; if you are right, you should be able to make your case easily. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC)