Talk:Pinarayi Vijayan/Archive 1

Revert war
Please discuss the disagreements in the talk page. `'Míkka 04:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Citations for the suspension decision
Here are some references for the decision to suspend Mr. Vijayan from politburo.

1, VS, Vijayan out of CPM politburo

2, Authority at stake, CPM Politburo suspends Kerala CM & bitter rival

3, Comrades still out

4, CPIM Press Communique

202.68.145.230 05:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC) The following para appearing in the article is utterlly pov and need to be deleted. This page seems to be the other side of proxy war mounted by M.N. Vijayan and V.S. Achuthanandan editors. Kerala partisanal editors, please keep your fights to the streets of Kerala and not on Wiki pages. "As a reformist he is facing challenges from inside and outside the party and is beging targeted and wrongly projected by the media in Kerala. The SNC Lavalin controversy in Kerala is said to be another example of public controversies hatched and fanned up by an anti-party clique primarily operating within the mass media in collusion with the UDF leaders.The vigilance inquiry,in which even after hectic efforts,no evidence was found against Pinarayi Vijayan. However, on 16th January 2007, Kerala High court" Weblogan 15:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Link Vandalism?
External link to this article, SNC LAVALIN Controversy, is actually a piece written in the Communist Party magazine; as such, it is not neutral nor is it pretending to be neutral. It is meant mainly for their cadres. i suggest this to be deleted. Weblogan 14:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Adhere to Wiki Guideline
One of the basic tenet of wikipedia is the verifiability of the source .To state something as POV here is seen as totaly based on the view point of the particular editor.In this context verifiable points about the article, deserves it legitimate space irrespective of the fact that the same appears  as negative characterisation for a section of editors. Do conceive that Wiki is open to everyone who follows its polcies for entry.

By referring a Partisan source (People democarcy) the editor has violated verifiabily policy as well as Wiki NPOV policy.--Sahyadhri 15:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

BLP
Saying someone has amassed wealth disproportionate to his known source of income without an ironclad citation is an invitation to libel -- can potentially put Wikiproject in jeopardy.Weblogan (talk) 08:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Another example of defamatory statement --about living person's connection with mafia-- had been undoneWeblogan (talk) 14:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Blpdispute tag, after re-writing
I've removed unsourced or poorly sourced 'Blpdispute' tag after available references cited and re-written the article. I don't find any copyvio at articles this stage. I cross checked controversies section with references. In my opinion, everything is ok as of now. Thank you. -- Avinesh Jose  T  11:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Edits by Bijuis
Bijuis has been editing this page during last few days, removing every reference to sources with critical content and adding praising comments about this politician without citations. This space should not be used for political campaigns and propaganda.

Edits by Bijuis and the anonymous editor before him can considered as vandalism. Please discuss the issues here before reverting the edits. Remember Wikipedia is not to be used for propaganda. I will help to clean the article if you stop the revert wars. (Saraths (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 20:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC).

Wikipedia is about facts, not opinion
Bijuis, you cannot expect Wikipedia articles to exactly reflect your opinion on the subject. It has to be factual based on sourced information. The page was evolved from scratch as and when people added bits of information based on sourced information about Pinarayi Vijayan. If you want changes to be made, discuss it first. All will be open to discuss and make changes to the sourced information if any, based on consensus. Remember, like you removing any information criticising in nature, somebody can fill the page with negative opinion about him. But Wikipedia is not for that. When you want sourced information to be removed, discuss it first. Otherways, all your edits/reverts will be reverted immediately. 121.241.67.226 (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

IP Address 121.241.67.226, Don't use this forum for narrow political vendetta Special:Contributions/121.241.67.226, Pinarayi Vijayan is a politician respected by lot of people and opposed by many others, just like any other politician. Using a forum like wikipedia to malign political persons don't suite to wiki standards. There will always be opposition to any political person, but maintain dignity and please don't use this forum for narrow political vendetta. Admins will remove your edits/reverts immediately. Your IP address has been noted.Bijuis (talk) 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't remove sourced material. See I just don't like it. You seem to be operating what amounts to a single-purpose account which is in conflict with all other contributors to this article. William Avery (talk) 08:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Have removed "Corruption charges" from the subtitle and kept it as "Controversies", like in similar articles (for example, V.S. Achuthanandan). Also "party worker" in the last para is changed to "youth" as in the reference. Discuss here if that is not fine and don't indulge in edit wars. Jojukavalan (talk) 08:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Attention IP user 121.241.67.226, you cannot remove trusted references and statements based on trusted references. This is not acceptable. Only removal of references from rival political group publications can be justified. Unless there is a valid reason, your edits will have to be rolled back. Further intentional edits will be reported. Please cooperate. Wikipedia articles are meant to provide information on people, not for attacking people whose ideology we might not like - then wikipedia will turn to a warfront. Snehaav (UTC)


 * Snehaav, see what you have done on 19th June. You just have blanked a full section of the article, which was based on articles in national newspapers. Reproducing your words in the previous comment - "you cannot remove trusted references and statements based on trusted references" - don't you think you should practice it before preaching? 121.241.67.226 (talk) 07:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Request for Comments
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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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Pinarayi or Vijayan
In this article, this person is referred to both as Mr. Pinarayi and as Mr. Vijayan. Should there not be a standard? Most Malayalam newspapers refer to him as Mr. Pinarayi. It might be good to place a name tag at the top of the page to avoid confusion, as the system in most of the world is to use the last name in formal situations. For example, see the article on K. Kamaraj. Jose Mathew (talk) 14:23, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2019
He is one of the best chief minister kerala has witnessed and during his tenure kerala was listed as number one state by Public Affairs Index 2018 released by the think tank Public Affairs Centre (PAC) Haricpm (talk) 14:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * ❌ Unsourced, WP:POV problem. MPS1992 (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Best Chief Minister of kerala... Staight forward, communist legacy Pkappu91 (talk) 02:49, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Comments from Bijuis
I am not editing the article for propaganda. If you observe the edits initially, I was explaining both sides of events and making it impartial in nature. But there are few anonymous users who edits it for a specific agenda. Such malign attacks need to be controlled and articles need to maintained with impartiality. Please help in achieving this. Please check the versions - you can find that both praising (i see one of them) and bad comments (see too much of them) have been added by anonymous users.

Can see only the worst thing which is wrong information provided. Pinarayi Vijayan is the beat Chief Minister Pkappu91 (talk) 02:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 January 2019
Pinarayi Vijayan has been one of the convict of Lavalin case. He is one of the mastermind behind several gangster activities in Northern kerala before taking the chair of CM. 14.143.85.194 (talk) 04:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 05:04, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Bad chief minister is pinarayi vijayan??? why
I think pinarayi vijayan is good chief minister. He got best chief, s awards. He have very strong and good personality. He stand with the side of people. He always obay constitution and supreme cort orders Vpabhiavvp (talk) 03:00, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Naming custom (Template)
I believe his second name 'Pinarayi' refers to his birth place and is not Patronymic. Could someone help me change this template info? Thanks!!! (User talk:TheInnocentBystander) 10:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2020
change member of politbeauro year 2002 to 1998 137.97.185.88 (talk) 05:42, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    08:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2020
86.98.59.80 (talk) 11:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The page is also not protected. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2020
Remove the tag which says the name Pinarayi is patronymic. Pinarayi is the place name. 2402:3A80:1299:E627:C0D8:7635:B346:94 (talk) 20:33, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  08:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Popularly called as Captain
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kozhikode/kerala-comrade-captain-now-doubly-certified-chief-minister/articleshow/82363996.cms

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/pinarayi-vijayan-kerala-cm-assembly-elections-7257638/

Pinarayi is popularly called as captain, added the same.

Before removing must has to discuss and make concise here


 * The lead mentions he is popularly known as Captain in Kerala Politics. There is no mention in either of the sources you mentioned whether this moniker is popularly used to refer to him. The Times of India merely writes about his transformation from just a comrade to a captain, due to his administrative acumen and crisis management skills. The Indian Express mentions that the left faced the election branding Mr. Vijayan as 'captian' although it is later stated by a party leader that such a title was never bestowed by the party. Election campaigns using such populist titles to refer to some of the leaders are very common in India. Neither of these links has any mention of him being popularly known as "captain in Kerala politics." On the other hand, there is a more popular title used to refer to Mr. Vijayan which is eratta chankan (one with two hearts). Telegraph even writes that Mr. Vijayan is "often called" by this title. Should we include that in the lead as well? These titles are very common for several Indian politicians. Unless the monikers are particularly notable and are always used to refer to the respective politicians, like in the case of J. Jayalalithaa (Amma, Puratchi thalaivi), these shall not be mentioned at all in the article let alone in the lead. Moreover, there also exist several titles bestowed by his rivals as well. Popular among them include "mandrake" which was even recorded in the minutes of an assembly session. Should that be included as well? I am removing the sentence from the lead for now. Please wait for other users to respond here and reach a consensus if you want to add it back. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 21:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

whose cadre revered her as their "Amma" (mother) and Puratchi Thalaivi (revolutionary leader).

This is what jayalalitha lead says. Maybe you hold are from another party who don't like to add that in lead. That's why you are arguing.

I don't understand, even when national medias took the title, why can't we add in wikipedia page.

' He was called as Leader within the party circles.[13]'

This is from karunakaran wikipedia.

Ok i don't agree in saying pinarayi as Captain in kerala politics, but can say as popularly called as Captain within party circles by the party cadets, these can be definitely added and no wikipedia policy violated.


 * Titles such as Amma, Puratchi thalaivi or Kalaignar are very frequently used by media to refer to the respective politicians. Just a simple google search of any of these titles gives enormous results. A few articles from this week such as Kalaignar at Stalin’s coronation!, Tamil Nadu assembly election result: MK Stalin - Emerging from Kalaignar's shadow do not even use the leader's name but just refers to them by the moniker (Kalaignar in this case). It's not right to compare Pinarayi Vijayan's "captain" moniker with these titles. Apart from a few initial news reports on LDF's election victory, none of the media refers to Mr. Vijayan as captain. If you check any major Malayalam newspapers from the last five days, there is not even a single mention of the specific term "Captain Pinarayi Vijayan". Whereas, a google news search gives you several results for the specific term "Captian Vijayakanth" referring to Tamil politician Vijayakanth. So, titles such as Amma, Kalaignar or even Leader which have been established over several years and frequently used by media to refer to the policians is not the case with Pinarayi's captain title which was coined as part of the election campaign and seems to have already been forgotten. Anyway, as both of us are not in agreement on the matter, I would wait for other users to respond.Malayala Sahityam (talk) 22:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


 * To say that he is popularly called captain, you need multiple sources (preferably scholarly sources) that specifically say he is known by that name. Not just some news reports on the election victory with exaggerated headlines. You had also made a personal remark on my political affiliation. Although it is immaterial here, you can find my political affiliation from my user page.Malayala Sahityam (talk) 22:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Captain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.97.236.141 (talk) 22:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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The Controversies section needs to be updated.
Right now, it is just a basic sentence with a link to a source. I did some edits, but can someone else help? Baudshaw (talk) 13:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

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