Talk:Pine Ridge Indian Reservation/Archive 1

Map
The map shows the Pine Ridge Reservation in its borders not of today but between 1889 and 1911 including Bennett County, which was taken away from the Oglala in 1911, see also: http://www.taspan.org/news/firethundermoves.html - ''Bennett County was formed in 1911; the result of the allotment act, but the Oglala Sioux Tribe never recognized that the land was ever removed from the original reservation boundaries. The Oglala Sioux Tribe continues to abide by the treaty boundaries set by the 1851 and 1868 treaties.'' -- PhJ (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I added an updated map. Kmusser (talk) 18:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Untitled
I won't put in original research, but the article states that people on the reservation only see 1/3 of the revenue from agricultural activity. That seems like original research based on what's cited-- and since my extended family farms along the border, I am in a position to know that essentially all of the farming being done on the reservation is non-Indian local farmers leasing land from the tribe to do farming on what's arable (and grazing on what isn't). So to me that part looks like the usual Marxist POV-pushing where whomever is poor and nonwhite is a victim of exploitation as usual. I'd like to see a citation on the figures of what the tribe gets. I can't imagine where I'm going to find a cite on who farms the reservation, but that's the reality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.98.97 (talk) 02:17, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The flag was easy to make, though maybe the tent flaps should be a tag bigger. Anyone want to volunteer to add flags to the other articles? I think it would be a nice touch. kwami 01:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Much of the history section (specifically about the 1973 Wounded Knee standoff) doesn't seem to relate directly to the subject of the article. I certainly think that what it discusses is important, but, at least from what I read, there was no clear connection made (in the article) between the standoff and the subject of the article. Personally, I think the Wounded Knee standoff should get it's own article. Movieman894 11:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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murders after the AIM thing, 1973
To just give the murder rate per 100,000 is a bit silly in the context (30,000 people in all), we need also the real numbers. And the rate has also to be compared to the usual violent death rate on the reservation.--Radh (talk) 09:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Billy Mills
Much of the content of this article is on Billy Mills right now. I propose moving the Billy Mills story to the Billy Mills page - where much of the information is already duplicated in any case - and shortening the information on him to just a paragraph on his impact on the Reservation. The topic of this page is the Pine Ridge Reservation, and in-depth writing on other subjects ought to have it's own dedicated space. --MatheoDJ (talk) 06:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree - show Billy Mills page as main one for that topic.Parkwells (talk) 22:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Original research (OR)
The first five or six references are to a court case. This is an example of Original Research, which is prohibited. Editors are supposed to use third-party sources, which might discuss the case or issue, such as an academic paper, not a primary document generated in the course of an event.Parkwells (talk) 22:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

History
This has mostly instances of violent conflict between the Sioux and the US government. What about the decades in between? Schools, churches, education, language programs, etc. Other things happen. There are full articles on each of these major events, but it is hard to follow the story of the reservation and its people from just these incidents.Parkwells (talk) 23:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The Lead says that repression of the Ghost Dance was related to the Wounded Knee Massacre, but the main part of the article says nothing about the Ghost Dance re: this event. The Lead is supposed to represent the article, not the other way around.Parkwells (talk) 23:05, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't mind criticism as long as it's constructive but when someone criticizes just for the sake of criticism I don't think anyone appreciates that and it's definitely not constructive. You last made a contribution to this article on March 10. 2010, from then until May 24, 2011 when I started redoing the article you made no contributions.


 * I don't know what sparked your latent interest but after I turn it into this-which I am still not done, you start deleting and altering information without even the courtesy of utilizing the talk page with comments like

now your just brimming with advice and doing so it what can be construed as a fairly imperious manner. You left a gap between bodies of text like geology and paleontology in the tourism section, deleted useful and interesting information and added grammamatical mistakes like "D Erosion continues to carve the Badlands buttes today."(sic) I happen to have a certain affinity for the Sioux, I have been to Pine Ridge and I had the pleasure of making the acquaintance of a tribe member who lives in Wounded Knee, so I'm trying to put some effort into it. Wasting my time and getting bent writing these rebuttals is not conducive to the process because now I'm too pissed to do anything. If you wish to criticise do it in a constructive manner with the aim of improving the content on Wikipedia and without the animus. And also trying to make other people look foolish is not nice, according to my hero Stuart Smalley; "That's just stinkin' thinkin!" , I do my daily affirmations with Stuart so; "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." 7mike5000 (talk) 11:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * (→Social Issues and Economy: Too much information in caption of Badlands - too lengthy - put in main text of article) (undo) and
 * (→Geography and geology: Add more detail here on geological and geography, not in tourism),
 * The Lead is supposed to represent the article, not the other way around.

Comments are here
Several comments were here, and others in the editing summaries. I apologize for not proceeding as you would have preferred, but it is unfortunate that you assumed the worst and have not acknowledged any of my contributions. I meant first to note your many excellent contributions. You have greatly added to the article and improved it. My apologies for not waiting for your comments back. In leaving the comments above, I was simply trying to indicate changes for the article overall - such as editors' needing to have authors' names in Reading lists, and what appears to be OR by selecting from a court record (where it is not indicated whether the plaintiff or defendant is being quoted), rather than a third-party source, as recommended by Wikipedia for reliable sources.Parkwells (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, editors are encouraged to use the TAlk page; they are also encouraged to make changes directly. I thought it relatively straightforward, for instance, to shorten the photo captions according to WIKI policy, and not that such a change would be something for an editor to choose to be offended about. Also to add dates to the photos seemed a positive addition- since the article covered so much history, it seemed useful to know when the photos were taken. I added edit summaries to indicate reasons for changes.Parkwells (talk) 13:25, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't have to take offense at every suggestion or change. To note above that the Ghost Dance was mentioned in the lead and not the article was a matter of fact; an item to be improved by ensuring the article included supporting material on the Ghost Dance issues.  You're the one deciding my manner is "imperious," or I'm "making criticism for criticism's sake".  My comments were in the hopes of improving the article; none was a personal attack on an editor. Your comments make many judgments about me. Clearly we can have differences of opinion as to content and organization.  I also made numerous contributions in punctuation, correcting  typos, sentence structure, format of the preferred inline citations, and other copy editing that took time and improved the article, none of which you have  acknowledged, and all of which you reverted. There may be typos; there were many in the article already, and there was an editing conflict while I worked on it.  So not all the errors were found. I can understand your being annoyed as you feel "you haven't finished", but, given the nature of Wikipedia, that's the risk of working in the main space. The only way for an editor to be sure of preserving his/her version until being finished, is to work on a personal user page/sandbox. Any editor could start working on this who had never worked at all on it, as well as editors who worked on it some time ago.Parkwells (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not a matter of "proceeding as you would have preferred", the edit history clearly reflects that I have been actively working on it, as I have said I do not mind constructive criticism whatsoever and it seems like a simple courtesy to talk to the person who has invested considerable time and effort in the article. This "but, given the nature of Wikipedia, that's the risk of working in the main space" quite frankly is not an excuse for a lack of simple etiqutte, but maybe that's just my nature and the way I look at things because people from New York are noted for their manners.


 * Wikipolicy is not writen in stone, and as far as the captions go you can put alot of information out with an image coupled with a few sentences of appropriate text as I did with picture of the Hotchkiss guns in the Wounded Knee Massacre article.. As far a your contributions a separate section on the geology found at Pine Ridge is an excellent idea and it does merit it's own section, and some of the other information on flora and fauna deserve their own sections as well, so I don't mind giving credit where credit is due.


 * So like my pal Stuart Smalley says lets "Trace it, face it, and erase it.":) 7mike5000 (talk) 13:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Modern Day Pine Ridge and Oglala Images
It would make the article look way better and be more relevant to today if there were at least a few more images (there is only one now) of Pine Ridge and modern day Pine Ridge and Oglala. People get the wrong idea that Pine Ridge is place from the past and/or everything is bad. Images like this are great:. If anyone has some and would be willing to either give permission to use them or release them into the public domain that would be great. The article Oglala Lakota could use modern images too. They could be easily uploaded at Wikimedia Commons 7mike5000 (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

History
Hi, 7mike5000 - looking again at the history section, I found it hard to follow, as it did not proceed chronologically, which is standard in most of these. Made subheaders for the Twentieth and Twenty-first centuries, and put Wounded Knee Massacre among 19th-century events. If you want it organized by Land Issues and Military Actions, it might be useful to make sub-headers, to make it easier for readers to follow. I didn't change anything substantively; added a Main article indicator to direct people to the one on the massacre. Have made inline cites more complete and done minor copy editing, including using active voice, which Wikipedia encourages.Parkwells (talk) 14:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Repetition?
You feel strongly about the abuses on the reservation, but is it useful for the article to repeat in three places all the content about current poverty, life expectancy, health issues, etc.? Yes, in the Lead, but then it may be better to have them collected in one place in the article. They are discussed under Poverty and Health issues, for instance, and also listed in Demographics. In most articles, the Demographics section relates to population, ethnic make-up, percentage of population in various age ranges, numbers of households, and income/economics, not to health issues. Just a thought. Parkwells (talk) 14:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You're right to an extent, but employment, mortality, per capita income statistics are part of demographics, as for age, ethnic make-up number of households etc. I can't find information on the demographics of the reservation as a whole. If you manage to find a source either you could put it up yourself or let me know and I'll do it. As for "feel strongly about the abuses on the reservation", everybody should, it's a travesty nobody gets to choose the place or circumstances of their birth. Alot of kids born on the reservation are behind the Eight-ball from conception. 7mike5000 (talk) 23:18, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree.Parkwells (talk) 03:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Hemp crop
Added more content on this as I found the section hard to understand; wasn't familiar with the issues.Parkwells (talk) 03:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Tribal government
Here is an interesting overview from Tribal Law Journal - http://tlj.unm.edu/tribal-law-journal/articles/volume_2/oglala/index.php. This writer expresses the opinion that the President and VP positions were not meant to be strong. Their short terms contribute to the problems in governance, according to other sources, as new officers want to make changes and it can be hard to preserve continuity in projects and programs.Parkwells (talk) 14:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

IRA?
Many of the sources indicate that divisions on the reservation date back to the institution of elected tribal government under the 1934 Indian Reorganization Act. Have you thought about including some discussion of how this affected the people at Pine Ridge, in terms of their 20th-c history?Parkwells (talk) 20:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You know more than me on that aspect. It would say it warrants mention on this article and a more in depth section on the Oglala article. 7mike5000 (talk) 11:02, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Good suggestion - so many histories of Pine Ridge refer to this and the problems with governance. I've checked the Oglala Lakota page and they had little current material, so we need to decide where and how to approach it. Looks as if it would be better in this article.  Will do more research. Came across a really interesting article about new kinds of political activity recently by the Lakota.  Organizers ran a voter registration drive at the reservation in 2002, and they elected Lakota candidates for county sheriff of Bennett County (where Native Americans are now the majority), a county commissioner there, and a seat on the Bennett County school board. Native American voting statewide helped gain a narrow victory that year for a Democratic US Senator from South Dakota, Tim Johnson.Parkwells (talk) 00:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Reinhardt's book (on reference list) analyzes the connection between the 1930s legislation and developments, and the 1973 events. He won the Great Plains Book Prize for it. Much of it is available for preview at Googlebooks. Here's an overview article about it: "University press author wins Great Plains Book Prize". Parkwells (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wounded Knee Incident
I know this section is too long, but I needed to add some context and cites; will edit more to make shorter here and add more of it to the main article on it.Parkwells (talk) 02:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No offence it's way to long, so is the information on Anna Mae Aquash in the 21st century, that information belongs in the article on her. The article is about the reservation not a murder case. The article is also about this reservation in particular not Native America in general. The "Industrial Hemp" issue is also way to long, sentences like this:

"Because of hemp's qualities as a hardy crop, during World War II the US government had encouraged its cultivation. It is a legal crop in Canada." Is unecessary fluff. At most it deserves a few sentences as the issue applies to the sovereignty of the tribe. I was also curious about using PBS as a reference.

One-upmanship
Again no offence but I can't help but notice that everytime I add information to articles like Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Bill Janklow, In the Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) which I started and Jancita Eagle Deer, it spurs flurry of activity on your part. The first you had no interest whatsoever for 14 mos. until I redid it, Janklow not one edit ever, In The Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) and Jancita Eagle Deer no interest at all in the topics because they didn't exist I started them. I don't mind someone making improvements to what I write or articles I start but getting second guessed on everything I write or add, and what seems like what I perceive to be an attempt to "outdo" me, is getting on my nerves quite frankly. Case point I add a cool interesting picture to the Wounded Knee incident section, I click back on and that sparks a reordering of sections with "Indian New Deal" and "Urban Relocation" and blah blah. You never added anything to Bill Janklow until I did and then there you are. If it is a genuine interest in improving the quality of information on the Sioux how about adding information to Standing Rock Indian Reservation it's larger than Pine Ridge and the article is barely a stub or do I need to go start adding information to it first. 7mike5000 (talk) 17:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * It's too bad that you have taken offense at my contributions; editors are encouraged to assume "good faith" on the part of other contributors. You're the one projecting some kind of competition. Any editor can contribute to these articles. I have worked on other Native American articles before this, and got interested. Have read widely among a variety of sources to make contributions here, and am trying to help by adding more sourced material. I brought up the Indian Reorganization Act issue above, and you suggested I add it. While of course it applies to the Oglala Sioux article as well and other tribes, there is little current information at the Oglala Sioux, as I noted above. Since sources on the Pine Ridge Reservation and especially the Wounded Knee Incident specifically noted the longstanding issues related to the IRA and tribal government connected to the occupation, and Pine Ridge has the largest proportion of Oglala Lakota people, it seemed appropriate to add it first here.


 * Similarly, I moved to other articles that related to these issues. Another editor liked my contributions to Bill Janklow, and I am surprised that you would argue against my adding more cites to the Jacinta Eagle Deer article.
 * I acknowledged above that the Wounded Knee section was too long - give me a chance to work on it.
 * Included material about the Aquash murder because she was such a high-ranking AIM member, and it occurred during that "Reign of Terror." Also, the trials have influenced opinion on other notable AIM members who were active at Pine Ridge.
 * Last, the PBS program as a source is a placeholder for investigation of more sources: they had many of the principals speaking on camera and have a transcript of the program, so there is a written record, as well. I have seen their programs cited in other articles on WP. The main article on the Wounded Knee Incident deserves some discussion by historians about its meaning in Native American history, not just the events of the occupation.Parkwells (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I have not taken offense, The contributions you made to Jacinta Eagle Deer are great, the ones to In the Spirit of Crazy Horse (book) I have no problem with, I realize you have edited other articles related to Native Americans but not these. With respect to Pine Ridge:

As far as Bill Janklow you never were on the page until after I added material to it. As far as the other User agreeing with you two people don't make a quorom. Usually getting locked up for driving on the wrong side of the road, intoxicated with the family jewels hanging out and then resisting arrest and using racial epithets is enough to end a political career. This happened at the beginning of it. The arrest affidavits are only two pages long and they add to the body of the text and I think most people would find it relevant and interesting and not "overkill" especially considering the manslaughter conviction. 7mike5000 (talk) 12:33, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The murder of Anna Mae Acquash deserves mention but not that indepth she has her own article, and her murder does not define the 21st century for 25,000 plus people on the reservation today. There has to have been other developments concerning the reservation.
 * The events of the 70's and subsequent developements can be succinctly summed up under the History header, then the more notable events like the Wounded Knee incident can be expanded upon in their own sections which they are now. If people want the minutiae of what occured they can go to the page on that subject.
 * What the article on Pine Ridge needs is information about the:
 * healthcare system, is there a hospital there? where is it? diabetes is rampant; where do reservation residents go for dialysis? etc.
 * Alcoholism is rampant as well: are there any detox facilities for those who want help? if so where? who pays for it?
 * School system: who runs the school system? who funds it? how many schools? where are they?
 * Municipal services: is there a fire department? paid or volunteer? how many members? Who maintains the road system?, is there a sanitaion department?
 * Religion: churches, how many, what denominations, how many hold traditional beliefs?

Notable residents
Leonard Peltier's WP article says that he went to Pine Ridge in 1975 to evade a warrant in Wisconsin. Have not found anything that says he was at Wounded Knee. Is that sufficient time to count him as a notable resident? I know he was associated with the res because of the murders for which he was convicted.Parkwells (talk) 00:42, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think "Notable residents" should be people who actually lived on the reservation full time as their primary residence, actual full time members of the community, not for brief periods of time for political activism. 7mike5000 (talk) 12:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, so he should be off the list.

Lead
Have made some slight changes to Lead to include other events in 1970s-period: the founding of the tribal college, and the 1981 founding of the first independent NA newspaper, on either side of Wounded Knee Incident.Parkwells (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Whiteclay and alcohol issues
Hi, Mike. I've been working on Whiteclay, NE as well as The Battle for Whiteclay and wanted to talk with you about deciding where to keep the main content on this, as it is difficult to keep current in too many places, with all the cites from recent activism. While I've added material about "Related activism" in the film article, that is unusual for the encyclopedia, and the OST and allied activism really belongs here, with the reservation. What do you think? I see you also cover it here in the "White Clay Extension" section; and there is material on the suit in "Twenty-first century," as well as the law enforcement grant (which never got used) in "Politics". While I know you want to highlight the problems, it may make it confusing for readers to know where to go, or for editors to know where to write. Some thoughts: Let me know - there is a lot of powerful material. Parkwells (talk) 20:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As "White Clay Extension" is among sections about historic events, perhaps it would be better to limit it to that. Include the more current information and developments related to alcoholism and Whiteclay in the 21st Century section, as most of the activism covered on this topic is from 1999 and on, although the problem is longstanding.
 * Similarly, although earlier I had added material to Whiteclay, NE about Oglala activism, most of the material has to do with the OST and Nebraska state government, not Whiteclay.
 * Perhaps you should designate a section of this article for "Current OST issues related to Whiteclay". Then I could move over some content. Or, maybe call the section "Relations with Nebraska," so that it could be used for other issues? Their officials tried to help in 2005 by gaining money for more OST policing (so the OST could keep control) in Whiteclay and nearby, but the tribe never organized to use it, never hired any more police.
 * Similarly, the film article could be modified to refer to content in this article about OST activism.


 * More thoughts - it's such a big issue, maybe it should be a section called "OST Activism to end beer sales at Whiteclay, Nebraska". Then we could make a separate article about that, and just keep a short summary in this one. That would keep the focus on the OST issues, and leave the Whiteclay, NE to be just about the little place with no reason for being. Then the newer, big article could contain the latest activist events, progress of the suit, etc. (Just saw an article that said Nebraska had extended hours for bars and liquor stores; the reporter thought the state was trying to make money off increased sales.) Or "Pine Ridge and relations with border towns" as a title?Parkwells (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * You're right, I took out the section on the current litigation on the Whiteclay Extension. A little more should be added to the 21st century section. I think a separate article would be a good idea. There is alot of interesting little facts about the plaintiffs I've read like, ironically Jason Scwharting's liquor license was suspended for under-age alcohol sales on the day the suit was filed. His father lost the liquor license due to a felony, and he had also been previously charged with doing "tag jobs" on stolen cars as was Gary Brehmer of Stateline.


 * Klemm Distributing operates Arrowhead Distributing, the address is a post office box in North Platte, with a physical location is in Gering used the same two alternating addresses and telephone numbers as Coors Distributing of West Nebraska, which owns the lot. Barret R. Klemm is listed as secreatary for Klemm Distributing which under one listing is a "real estate" company. Under d/b/a Arrohead Distributing it's Patrick O'Neal. Stuart Kozal and Lillie I. Norman had been named as plaintiffs in a previous wrongful death suit regarding sales to underage drinkers. Stuart Kozal's daughter Broke is married to Jason Schwarting.


 * More then one of the plaintiffs have made regular political contributions to, would you believe Republican candidates including Bruning the attorney general of Nebraska.


 * I think some of that information can be incorporated, in of course a NEUTRAL fashion as there is relevance pertaing to the current issue.


 * My own personal opinion, I had the opportunity to go to Pine Ridge a few years age, I came from the south on 87 and passed through Whiteclay. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. A ludicrous little shithole maintained by selfish unconscionable lard-asses shoveling tractor-trailer loads of beer to alcoholics. When I drove to the reservation on the way to Wounded Knee, I was amazed at the amount of roadside memorials, there were clusters of two and three, a little down the road another one and then another. How you can make money off that carnage with a clear conscience is beyond me.


 * Alcohol is permitted on Rosebud. But the Oglala have decided against it and these people are basically giving them the finger.


 * I'm up shit's creek without a paddle myself, If I weren't I would take a ride out there and take some current pictures, but I could contribute. The best advocacy is just the truth and the facts. 7mike5000 (talk) 15:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Added more on alternatives
Given that this kind of prohibition does not seem to work when alcohol sales are outside their control and the demand continues, other tribes have taken on the benefits as well as responsibilities of alcohol sales; this enables them to keep the revenues generated within the reservation (at Pine Ridge, it would be sufficient to build a much-needed detoxification facility, which they have been unable to fund), as well as to directly regulate and police its use. They could shut down Whiteclay by taking over the business, as they could undercut prices by not having to pay state taxes. A recent survey found that 63% of federally recognized tribes in the lower 48 states had legalized alcohol sales. I've added content here and at the Pine Ridge, NE page. The OST voted down a referendum to legalize alcohol sales in 2004, and in 2006 the tribal council voted to keep the ban.Parkwells (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Suggest shortening suit
While the suit is important, it would take up less space to have the defendants listed in a footnote, rather than in the article (at least this article.) That level of detail seems more suited for a main article on the suit and issue. Still need a name - "Oglala Sioux Tribe and managing alcohol use"? That could incorporate all the activism as well as the suit. Nothing seems right to capture the whole thing.Parkwells (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Anna Mae Aquash
More details are provided on the circumstances of her murder and later trials at the main article on her. The section in this article should be kept short.Parkwells (talk) 21:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dismissal by federal court of lawsuit-10/12
Just wanted to let interested editors know that the US District Court Judge dismissed the OST suit against beer stores in Whiteclay and associated companies on 1 Oct. 2012, "without prejudice", saying the federal court did not have jurisdiction over the issue. It was suggested the tribe could sue in state court.Parkwells (talk) 15:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Alcoholism
There is a contradiction in the article..in the introduction it states the reservation was started in 1889..in the section on alcoholism it states alcohol has been prohibited there since 1832. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.242.102.242 (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Oglala Oyanke
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Is the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation referred to as Prisoner of War Camp 334?
If that is true there should be an explanation in the article.

?? 2600:1003:B865:4E83:0:7:2D37:5201 (talk) 17:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Sloppy
Editors should include authors of books (Further reading) and be more careful about punctuation and full sentences. Good information here but sloppy with many typos.:


 * What are some specific examples of this? 2600:1003:B865:4E83:0:7:2D37:5201 (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Some of his supporters?
If you are going to have a "one sentence" summary of his defense, this is hardly adequate: "Some of his supporters argue there was a lack of substantive evidence against him."

More like: Some of his supporters point to the extra-ordinary circumstances: the reign of terror on the reservation between the BIA culture and the Sioux culture, where dozens of murders and shootings of Sioux went unnoticed, where AIM was regarded as the problem, and the FBI's focus of the week was a pair of missing cowboy boots.

This appears to be outdated. Can't find the text cited above in the article. 2600:1003:B865:4E83:0:7:2D37:5201 (talk) 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)