Talk:Pink Chanel suit of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy

Need to omit name Onassis
She was known as "Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy" during this period, and mentioning the later name "Onassis" seems bizarre for this article, because no one of that name existed at the time. I suggest moving the article, and changing the text, with perhaps a footnote about her later name. Otherwise, I agree on notability, as the dress became famous and led to iconic photos of her. -Wikid77 (talk) 23:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Definitely classless, possibly pointless
'The suit has been macabrely described as being "replete with blood stains and bits of macaroni glued on like brains"'

This counts as a cultural reference? Where's the reference there? I enjoy irreverence, but I don't see a place for in it in the case of a First Lady being coated in the gore from her husband being brutally murdered in front of her eyes.

If this is a well-known cultural reference, cite it. Otherwise I'm removing it for being tasteless, heartless and utterly irrelevent. The Cap&#39;n (talk) 15:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd support removing it. Ericoides (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

King of Algeria ?
There is a reference to a visit by the "King of Algeria" where she wore the pink outfit. This is cited to some fashion website. There is and was no such "King of Algeria". Any idea who this alleged person actually was ? Or is it some kind of joke.Eregli bob (talk) 00:30, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Dr Girlfriend
How is there no mention of Dr. Girlfriend, who wore the pink suit and pill box hat (and the same hairstyle) for several seasons of The Venture Bros. It's even explicitly referenced on the show, episode 3.04 "Home is Where the Hate Is." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.204.52 (talk) 23:03, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because no one has added it. Ericoides (talk) 13:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

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Contradiction
Hello fellow editors! This article appears to contradict itself. Paragraph 3, with a source, says


 * There was long-time question among fashion historians and experts whether the suit was a genuine Chanel or a quality copy purchased from New York's semiannual Karl Lagerfeld or Chez Ninon collections, resolved in favor of a "Chanel" by her biographer, Justine Picardie.

But the caption to a picture of a similar suit slightly further down says


 * Chanel Haute Couture jacket, F/W 1961. Jacqueline Kennedy's pink Chanel suit was a line-to-line copy made by Chez Ninon in New York based on the original design. This is an original haute couture jacket in the same raspberry pink but with black silk trim made by Coco Chanel in Paris. Adnan Ege Kutay Collection.

Which is is? And is the source for the first citation being asked to do too much work and take Ms Picardie's (excellent, I must admit) research as being the definite 100% truth rather than well researched speculation?

I'd very much welcome your opinions, and I'm going to tag the article Self-contradictory ◦ Trey Maturin 20:51, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've rewritten the relevant sections to clarify, and removed the tag. Ericoides (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Article title
Is it necessary to spell out her first name in the article title? I think our normal approach would be to use the more recognizable WP:COMMONNAME, which I think would just be Pink Chanel suit of Jackie Kennedy. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Neutrality problem
There's a neutrality problem in the section The suit as fashion. The text which I am concerned about has been marked in bold.

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, the Chanel suit was one of the strongest symbols of bourgeois female chic that could be found anywhere in the Western world, evoking a powerful image of a sophisticated, intelligent and independent modern woman. During this era it became the "wardrobe staple of the upwardly mobile American female which could fit almost every daytime occasion that required a woman to dress stylishly". Although women wearing pink in the 21st century is common, pink was new to fashion in the 1950s and was a color loved and even popularized to an extent in American fashion by Mamie Eisenhower, who endorsed a color which, according to cultural historian Karal Ann Marling, was called "Mamie Pink". Given that the Chanel suit was a strong statement of an independent woman, the color pink has an element of traditional femininity, perhaps evading the foreign and feminist attributes associated with the Chanel suit in a conservative American society.

A diehard editor (talk | edits) 19:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The quoted text is referenced. What's the problem? Ericoides (talk) 05:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see quotemarks in the bolded text. A diehard editor (talk | edits) 00:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. I was too lazy to remove the ref tags, that's why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A diehard editor (talk • contribs) 00:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't need quote marks if there's a numbered reference after the claim. The reference indicates that it's the source of the information. Ericoides (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed the neutrality template as there's clearly not an issue here, per my post above this one. Ericoides (talk) 06:01, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

Non-notable cultural reference
The cultural references section contains claims regarding subjects which are all notable (e.g., The Crown, Jackie, The Simpsons) except for one: an "I Will Survive" comic strip-like art series ostensibly published on the deviantArt website. The claim was added to the article. Is this an appropriate claim for the cultural references section, or is it merely someone's personal art which they've added here for others to see? With no WikiLink provided, there's no way for readers to quickly gauge its significance to the topic. Spintendo 17:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Not only is it not notable, but if you look up the source, it's a comic about the lead characters from Zootopia debating whether or not to have a child and the mom's clothing bears no resemblance to the Pink Chanel suit. Varsitybeam (talk) 06:14, 23 November 2023 (UTC)