Talk:Pink Floyd – The Wall/Archive 1

Justification
I created this page because I believe the film is sufficiently distinct from the original Pink Floyd album to justify a separate article. I have also introduced sufficient material such that if it were featured in the The Wall article, the article would probably be too long. The same should be done with Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey to distinguish it from the book, but some seem resistant. --Bungopolis 08:57, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Clarification needed: This page needs some work because some of the scenes described were mere daydreams, hallucinations and/or flashbacks; they were not "real" in the movie. For instance, the scene where young Pink puts the bullets on the train tracks: he wasn't "caught" by his teacher, it was a daydream/hallucination. The issue lies in trying to make the abstract scenes concrete because not everything is just dream or just hallucination. Ehrichweiss (talk) 16:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
I removed the infobox for this article because I feel that it was highly redundant. I do not like the use of infoboxes in most cases for this reason. Everything that was in the infobox was also available, and easy to see, in the first introductory paragraph. I also reverted the image back to the original frame capture. The US DVD box that replaced it is quite hideous and does not provide a useful visual to complement the article (this is the point of an image in an encylopedia). An original movie poster may be a better choice if the frame should be replaced (I don't see why, though). --Bungopolis 07:57, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Background Voiceover During Nobody Home
The wonderfully ironic and tounge-in-cheek humor of the voiceover of Gomer Pyle's "Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!" which is heard on the LP version of The Wall should have been used in the movie version. This occurs right after "Pink" sings "When I try to get through...On the telephone to you." Guess the royalties would have been too great. -- tcosmas (USA) 21:04, 26-Jan-06 (UTC)

Filming Locations
surely this page needs something about locations. I heard Battersea Power station was used, and also beckton. Where they also filmed 1984 and Full Metal jacket. I heard the school scenes where filmed in Hertfordshire somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.168.149 (talk) 01:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Symbolism
Given the nature of the film and the ambiguity of some of the animated sequences, should we have a section devoted to common theories about what exactly some of the images represent?

Song in hallway
What's the song playing on the radio of the hotel maid as the camera pans down the hallway towards Pink's room at the beginning of the film? -GTBacchus(talk) 21:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The song is "The Little Boy That Santa Claus Forgot" by Vera Lynn. Absolutely Curtains 19:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've seen that answer given before, but I can't figure out why I vividly remember hearing "God Bless the Child" by Billie Holiday. The Vera Lynn song makes sense, what with "Vera" being a song in the film, and it just sounds appropriate, but I wonder whether a different song was dubbed in on some releases, maybe for an American market?  Why would I have invented such a memory if it didn't really happen? -GTBacchus(talk) 05:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Real Neo-Nazis?
There's a line in the production section that states:
 * During the scenes in which Pink becomes a skinhead leader, real neo-Nazis were used as extras in rallies.

I read this before on the Internet Movie Database's trivia page, but I haven't found any other sources to back this up. This isn't mentioned at all on any of the special features on the DVD release - not the commentary, not the making-of features. So, is there a source backing up this piece of information? Where did it come from? It's a fascinating piece of info, but without a citation, you can never really be sure of its accuracy as a factual (if not slightly unsettling) piece of behind-the-scenes trivia or merely an urban legend. (Ibaranoff24 07:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC))
 * I can validate this. It's a rather well-known fact, appearing in Schaffner's Saucerful of Secrets book and possibly even Inside Out. - MajorB &lt;talk&gt; &lt;contribs&gt; - 01:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Production and Reception or Trivia?
The "Production and Reception" section seems overlong, and much of the content is devoted to trivia rather than significant information about the making of the film or its critical/popular reception. The fact that Bob Geldof cut his hand in the hotel-trashing scene or that "there is a semi-subliminal image in the bloody pool scene" may be interesting to diehard fans, but they're also pretty trivial. CKarnstein 02:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Pink was 5 months old
In the article Plot summary it says: "...it is revealed that Pink's father was killed during World War II before he was born." Although Pink is a fictional character he is largely based on Roger Waters, who's father died when he was 5 months old. Pink's father and Roger's both served in the exact same company in Anzio so I assume Roger would say Pink would be the same age when HIS father died too, and since it is never solidly shown that Pink was born after this, I changed the article to reflect Roger's age at the time of his father's death. Billy Nair 22:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Organized track listing.
Right now we have a long list of 'deleted in favor of' and 'switched around.' Since the track listing isn't the same as The Wall, couldn't we list it like in an album. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FinalWish (talk • contribs).

More references in "popular culture" (or rather 80's industrial underground culture)
The british industrial band Test Dept has crossed hammers in their logo, which does look a lot like the ones seen in this film. Coincidence or tribute to pink floyd, or was it in common use before Pink Floyd? Anyone knows? Maybe I should point out that TD was a left-wing band, so I doubt it has anything to do with the later skinhead group using the symbol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.158.20 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Syd Barrett
This article is really missing a discussion of Syd Barrett's life in relation to the film. Syd was the main inspiration behind the character Pink and the plot of The Wall... it should get at least a mention if not a section. -FlyingToaster (talk) 10:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure Syd Barrett was the main inspiration for Pink as such. The majority of Pink's life story is based on Waters, with some fictional embelishment. Barrett however certainly is a big influence on the scenes in the hotel room (in particular shaving off his hair and then being forced to do a concert while in the middle of a psychotic episode, both of which happened to Barrett) and Barrett would have been Waters' main inspiration for the idea of Pink descending into madness in the first place. But the character and his life story as a whole is more based on Waters with elements of Barrett, Roy Harper, a few other unknown people and some elements of fiction thrown in. But I agree that the article should make clear that Barrett was a major influence on Waters' thinking when he wrote The Wall, and in particular point out the scenes and aspects of Pink's character that were based on episodes in Barrett's life. MarkB79 (talk) 19:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Just a few things I noticed
OK, new to this, but old to the film. There were a few crucial things left out in my opinion. Like said above, a lot of this is daydreams, hallucinations, etc., so there's a lot left out in that area. Like when it's described about the groupie being invited into his hotel room...uh, watch it again because she's gets her way backstage, then gets herself into his trailer there ("Wow, this is bigger than our whole apartment" she says) where it all starts to get crazy...then at some point it switches and he's back in his hotel room, where the scene ends with him hanging out the window. This leads one to believe at least some of this is in his mind, which brings me to the bathroom scene...where he's in the corner, reading from his notebook. Did he really retreat there? Did you ever notice the guard in the bathroom is the same one who was the first guard backstage the groupies encountered? The last time I watched it for the hundredth time, I finally caught that, but that lead me to really consider it was possibly all in his mind, everything...none of it ever occured...he's desheveled, in a dirty public bathroom, reading from the same notebook from school if I'm not mistaken, but this is obviously one of the many ways to interpret it all. Also, when it's said that when they found him catatonic in the hotel room, I believe he was also almost dead from a load of drugs and they gave him narcon or adrenaline or something like it, they can't snap you out of catatonia usually. Then it says the drugs they gave him cause him to hallucinate, which it hard to believe. What happened, I think, is he came out of his drugged state and his psychosis caused these insane hallucinations of the concert/rally as a defense mechanism as he was being forced to face society and unable to deal, and just because he was pretty nuts anyway, or just part of the continuing hallucination if you accept my other theory. And, as was said right above me, the Syd Barrett aspect needs to be included. I always understood the story to be based on Water's childhood, but the rock star insanity part was more Barrett's story, so it was a combo of their lives, and some other things here and there. Water's never went nuts like Barrett (just isolated and anti-social), so it can't be his autobiography, really. Oh, and please mention that not only did Pink shave off his body hair, he shaved off his nipples in the process...and I seem to rememeber an interview when it came out that Bob Geldof really did it, too! Talk about dedication! I like the song list the way it is...the differences pointed out are awesome...don't change it, but in the beginning of Young Lust, Jenny Wright was doing the vocals, but obviously didn't do them on the album...that was left out. And that operator from those songs never got a penny...she was a real telephone operator, they just used her to make it sound real. (I bet she's mad!) And there was that whole controversy about using those kids to sing Another Brick in the Wall Pt. II; they got into trouble because the brits were not too happy about it after the movie was released. Sorry I have no references, but I just wanted to point out a few things, but don't know enough about how to edit stuff, and wouldn't want to without discussing it with the original author. Plus, so much of this movie is left open to many interpretations, it's difficult to say things are a fact rather than an opinion. But I'd be happy to help, if anyone wants to e-mail me feel free!--Whitetiger424 (talk) 15:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The Film's Soundtrack...
I've noticed that this whole article on the film never talked about any information regarding the fact that the soundtrack to the film is different than the original album and why it was never released. Can someone please not only explain this to me but explain it in a new section in the article. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.79.237 (talk) 01:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Roger Taylor?
In the Premiere section of the article it mentions one Roger Taylor attending, along with other celebrities, like Sting, Andy Summers, and Pete Townshend. There are multiple Roger Taylors, and the link takes you to the disambiguation page. Was it Roger Meddows-Taylor of Queen, Roger Taylor of Duran Duran, or one of the non-musician Roger Taylors? Krobertj (talk) 20:26, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

"The Film" redirect???
What were you thinking? Revert that please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.65.135.231 (talk) 15:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)