Talk:Pinkerton (album)/Archive 1

Audience change
I removed this part of the article: Guitarist Brian Bell noticed a difference between the audience during the Pinkerton tour and the Blue Album tour, "We saw our audience change from intelligent, hip-looking people to complete jocks who just came because they saw the video. That's the price you pay if you want to make a living at this." because the exact quote in the book is as follows; "Looking back on the band's frenzied 'Blue Album' era in late 1996, Brian marveled at Weezer's unexpected ascent. "We saw our audiences change from intelligent, hip-looking people to complete jocks who just came because they saw the video. That's the price you pay if you want to make a living at this."

He is referring to the " 'Blue album' era" audience, not the "Pinkerton era" audience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.211.89.199 (talk) 08:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I think this article needs to mention Harvard more often — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.93.26.183 (talk) 15:12, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Featured Article
Do my eyes deceive me? Is Pinkerton finally a featured article? Yay! My hard work paid off!  cowbellcity45  talk  18:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Half Japanese
"It has been rumored that the first verse of "El Scorcho" contains references to the band Half Japanese." I have never heard of this rumor. I highly doubt this is a reference to this band. The song goes "goddamn you half japanese girls, do it to me every time." Just judging from that. I can safely guess it has nothing to do with the band Half Japanese. I'm removing it. User: wikiwonka12
 * I'd like to change "Rolling Stone's readers" to "Rolling Stone's barking stupid readers" ... but instead I'll just note that here. -- Twang 4 Jan 07

Trivia
I'm going to integrate the miscellanea section per WP:TRIVIA --AW 21:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
''Though most of Pinkerton's songs are in major keys, the album sounds abrasive. The drums are loud in the mix and highly compressed, the bass overdriven, the guitars heavily processed - often to the point that the leads sound like chainsaws. Additionally, Cuomo often shout-sings urgently and seems to push his vocal range to its upper limits. Some of the songs shift keys, tonalities, dynamics and tempos suddenly, adding to the sonic turbulence. The vocals on the album were recorded by the band as a group around three microphones.''

With the exception of the last two sentences, this whole paragraph sounds like a huge violation of WP:NPOV. I've deleted it for now (yes, all of it; can't think of a good way to reincorporate those orphaned final sentences); if anyone else can rewrite it, that'd be much appreciated. GammaShade 01:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Weezer chronology
Weezer chronology in the info-box needs updating.
 * Why, what's wrong with it? -Joltman 11:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Critical failure
Not really a fan of Weezer, but four out of six professional reviews featured rate this album with a perfect score, and two others gave it 7.5/10 and 6/10. That's impressive enough, I think. Why is it called a 'critical failure'? Commercial failure maybe, but critical? -- Fractious Jell (talk) 23:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

i think at the time it was —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.189.82 (talk) 07:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I seem to recall Rolling Stone called it the Worst Album of the Year. 71.10.86.108 (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Matt Sharp
I removed the part about many people seeing Matt Sharp as an important contributer to Weezer's sound. People may think that, but in the end it's irrelevant, because he wasn't. Just listen to Cuomo's solo home demos of songs like "Buddy Holly" or "Tired of Sex" for proof. Pkmntrainerred (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Pkmntrainerred may think his unsupported opinions are fact, but in the end it's irrelevant, because they are not. Just ask me, a person who loved the first two albums, then heard Return of the Rentals, and spotted where 'what I liked about Weezer' came from. I haven't bought albums 3-6. (I also haven't haven't bought any of Matt's post 2000 stuff.) You don't have to agree with me, but respect others' opinions and don't remove them. It didn't say Matt Sharp was an important contributer, it said MANY PEOPLE SAW Matt Sharp as an important contributer. 91.109.244.22 (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

What many people believe doesn't matter if it's not true. Rivers Cuomo wrote every song on the first two albums exclusively, with the exception of a few collaborations with Patrick Wilson and Jason Cropper. Matt was essentially just there because Rivers could only play one instrument at a time. It's true that the first two albums are leagues ahead of the others, but that is not in any way due to the exit of Sharp. Again, listen to some of Cuomo's home demos (which are EXACTLY the same as the full-band versions) or refer to when money-starved Sharp sued the band because he claimed he co-wrote a heap of songs, and then lost because that idea is so ridiculous it could never stand up. 209.99.108.22 (talk) 18:13, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary
I noticed the first source is from Urban Dictionary, which isn't an acceptable source. TostitosAreGross (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Removed. There is plenty of other sources for Emo there anyway, UD is just user-submitted so it has no reliability at all. k-i-a-c  ( hitmeup  -  the past ) 12:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

TFA
I think we should try and get this on the front page since it's the only Emo WP FA. Spiderone (talk) 08:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Band Photograph
While an excellent photograph, I feel it is inappropriate as the photo features the post-Green Album lineup, including Scott Shriner. The caption even mentions him. He did no work on this album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.26.116 (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ Would quote boxes be a good substitute? Spiderone  16:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Pinkerton (album)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Pinkerton (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Metacritic": From Lou Barlow:  From Weezer (2001 album):  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 22:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Sentence confusion
"As well as recording new songs, "El Scorcho", and "Pink Triangle", before the band went their separate ways, once again, while Cuomo returned to Harvard."

I've reread this sentence, but I just don't understand its meaning at all. I'm pretty sure that it doesn't make any sense. Can it be rewritten? A Thousand Doors (talk) 19:00, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I've also had a problem parsing this: "Just a few days before Cuomo was set to travel to study at Harvard University, the band gathered for two weeks of recording at Electric Lady Studios, the same studio where they recorded their debut." A few days before he went to Harvard, they took two weeks to, what? 71.10.86.108 (talk) 19:20, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Pinkerton :)
I'm not one to leave sentimental anything on Wikipedia article talk pages, but, this is one of my favorite albums of all time, and to see it pop up on the frontpage Featured Article tonight/today just made me smile. Thanks to everyone who has put so much hard work to making a classic, a Featured Article! SarahStierch (talk) 01:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

FA lead - "one of the most important albums of the decade"
"Upon its release in 1996, the album was initially considered a critical and commercial failure; Pinkerton has since risen in stature to become one of the most highly-regarded albums of the 1990s, receiving much critical acclaim, and is now considered one of the most important albums of the decade.[5]"

Isn't this a little POV and OTT? Who regards it so highly exactly? Who considers it "one of the most important albums of the decade"? What does that latter assertion actually mean anyway? The (one) review that's being cited here says none of the things that appear in this sentence; and, even if it did - as some others cited elsewhere in the main body might well do, I don't know - such a comment would only be a one-off statement of opinion/interpretation in a music magazine review, which shouldn't be cherry-picked like this as if it were fact for a lead section, even when couched in the kind of wp:weasel formulation we have here. Writing about pop music is meant to be a little hyperbolic, after all. Sorry, it might be a small point in the context of the page as a whole, but it's a fairly cringeworthy sentence sitting there, unsupported, in the second paragraph of a featured article.  N-HH   talk / edits  08:31, 24 September 2011 (UTI)

I'm in agreement with you on this one. I immediately noticed when reading through. Mcorco2 (talk) 17:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've taken it out. The lead probably needs something about critical re-evaluation - if indeed that is a fair assessment of what happened - but that sentence cannot stand in an encyclopedia featured article, especially one that's on the front page today. Maybe someone can add something a bit more reasoned to replace it ..  N-HH   talk / edits  18:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

You're right about the lead needing something about the critical reassessment that's taken place because it's a very notable fact about the album (says one who hasn't yet listened to it), but the rest was unsupported hyperbole. The article body, itself, needs to be organized and written better to make this clear. For example, three publications, Rolling Stone, Entertainment Weekly, and Pitchfork all provided higher rated reassessments of the original album or its Deluxe edition release. It's sort of there indirectly, but the reader shouldn't have to tease it out. -- J. Wong (talk) 08:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Reference to Don Giovanni.
I noticed the following in the Artwork subsection:


 * as well as more references to Madame Butterfly (Don Giovanni, Sharpless, Cio Cio San Island)

Apart from being another opera with an Italian libretto, what has Don Giovanni got to do with Madame Butterfly?--Peter cohen (talk) 21:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

"Cuomo has bipolar disorder"
Sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.190.162.219 (talk) 10:12, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Image caption
Popcornduff, I wasn't aware that you're opposed to the caption, I thought you were just pointing out who's responsibility is to gain consensus, my bad. What is it particularly that you oppose about the previous caption? I changed it back as I think it's worth mentioning that the photo is from around the time of the album's release. DanWarpp (talk) 18:01, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Image caption and "poor grammar"
care to explain how exactly does the caption contain "poor grammar"? QuestFour (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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