Talk:Pioneer III

Thirty feet in width?
Maximum passenger railcar width in the USA is 10 feet 6 inches. A 30-foot-wide railcar would stretch over three tracks! Irishchieftain 22:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Length?
Is a 120-foot length OK? About 85 feet is usual for US coaches.--SilasW 10:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems to me the whole article could use a complete rewrite. It needs sources in a bad way—no sources are cited for the "six Pioneer III" cars described herein.  120 feet would be OK if it were a two-piece articulated MU (i.e. each articulated section being 60 feet long), but this type of railcar does not exist, even in PRR records.  Further, "Pioneer III" refers to a type of railcar truck that was even used on Chicago L cars.


 * The PRR, IIRC, referred to the Pioneer III as the MP85, this being their first 85-foot long MU. The Pioneer III #246 from SEPTA at the Railroad Museum of PA has AAR couplers (not "copulars" as the last author misspelled it). Irishchieftain 21:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Railcar?
I've located a source of information on a Pioneer III, but this is described as a locomotive hauled coach. In the book New York Central and the Trains of the Future by Geoffrey Doughty one of the Appendixes discusses Budd's contributions to the attempts to redesign American trains to make them more competitive with cars & air travel.

The Pioneer III was a single coach prototype for what was planned as a much larger series of cars. It seated 88 and had dimensions 85 feet (length) by 11 feet 9 inches (height). No orders for coaches on this pattern originated in the United States beyond three sets of rail-cars for the Pennsylvania railroad. According to the website Brazilian Trains in Other Parallel Universes Pioneer III type cars were manufactured under licence in Brazil between 1963-1966 Graham1973 (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The prototype lightweight locomotive hauled coach only found buyers as an EMU in North America. The info on the coach and the Brazilian cars should be added to this article.Sturmovik (talk)

Missing photo P3front.jpeg
The article shows a mistake "220px" in red at top right. Apparently, a photo "P3front.jpeg" should appear there, but there is no such file on commons. Does anyone have such a picture? Teeschmid (talk) 10:07, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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