Talk:Pioneer movement

removed sentence
I've removed the sentence Anticommunist-minded people often compare Pioneers to Hitler Youth. due to the following reasons:


 * Not all, rather several, if any, Anti-Communist minded people compare pioneers with Hitler Youth, simply because many of them don't know either about Pioneer Movement or about Hitler Youth.
 * Hitler himself as well as many other Hitlerites were Anti-Communists too and it would be nonsense if they should often compare Pioneer Movement with Hitler Youth. Cmapm 16:48, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It seems to make sense to stress their similarity to "Scouting" programs. Although they are of course very different idealogically, they are both youth programs which stress patriotism and morality. Indoctirnation? It's all the same. Alakhriveion 14:44, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Images
There are some nice images over at commons if someone wants to add one. - FrancisTyers 23:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

merge proposal
do not merge-there are also articles on Pioneering in China, Yugoslavia and East Germany. Chris 05:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Basically my reason for proposal was because this article looked like the article about Pioneering in USSR. Seems like some other articles that link here, really should link to Young Pioneer organization of the Soviet Union, or vice versa. Maybe this article just needs to be cleaned up to make it clear with just a glance that there are other articles for separate countries. Obrez 07:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

List of countries
The list of countries that had pioneer movements seems rather incomplete. At least also Bulgaria had such a movement, and I wish somebody who knows about this would write something.--Dale Gerdemann 23:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Switzerland had a Pioneer-Movement as well. --130.92.9.55 (talk) 06:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I really question whether some of the organizations on the "current" list really exist anymore. I lived in Finland for 4 years (2003-2007)and was actively involved with the youth organizations of various political parties--  Kokomus (conservatives), Greens, SDP, Center, CD, etc. Never once did I hear ANYONE make a reference to a Pioneer-Communist youth organization. I knew several Left Alliance (the successors to the Communist Party) leaders, including Suvi-Anne Siimes, quite well; again, in no conversation did anyone ever allude to the existence, however small, of a rump Pioneer organization.

I also rather doubt the existence of such an organization in the U.S. today. I know that in the 30's, there were 'Red" summer camps, etc., where Pioneer-type scout groups were formed for the children of active American communists; but that was then. I'd be really surprised that any such groups were active today, unless they are extremely small and limited to the children of a few fringe, hardcore far left old-school types.24.250.115.165 (talk) 16:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)Vainamoinen

BTW, I'll add that I had an Estonian girlfriend a few years ago who had been in high school, just about to graduate, when the Soviet Union began to collapse and Estonia broke away. She was, of course, a Pioneer or Komsomol member (I can't remember what it was called in Estonia), and described her local group's last meeting. No one knew just what to do or what was going on, and there was absolutely no enthusiasm for trying to continue the group's existence or enagage in any pro-regime (Communist regime) activities save for one lone girl who was completely devoted to Marxist ideology and felt that the end of the world was upon them. Without a formal vote or anything else, they "dissolved" their local group (Tartu area) by consensus and left. Some of them took some of the things in their meeting hall, basically looting it; and my girlfriend went out with a couple of the others to celebrate, got drunk, and got laid. She said that she had always wanted to have sex wearing her uniform, and the young man in question was quite enthusiastic about it. Great story-- of course, I had to remark that the Tartu female Komsomol had apparently gone out with a bang, not a whimper. Alas, she no longer had the uniform.24.250.115.165 (talk) 16:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)Vainamoinen

Atheistic
Pioneers were active atheists or at least sceptical among believers. Xx236 13:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Pioneers were children. The statute of Soviet pioneers pronounced struggle against religion, among other things. Any refs for other countries? `'mikka 15:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I almost became a pioneer in Hungary. I'm an atheist, too, but the two things have nothing to do with each other. There is nothing about religion in the 12 points of pioneers, they are mostly patriotic things. 81.182.236.69 (talk) 03:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

More info
Added also that the Pioneer organisation was also present in Albania during the communist regime, and that it was named afer the former deceased dictator, Enver Hoxha.

I know this, because i was a pioneer at that time in the elementary school, you couldn't just say no.

Illuminati 09:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

bugoslav edit warring
I explained it before, I will spell it out for you. According to MOS, When introducing a new name in an article, it is good practice to use the full name on its first occurrence. Also, it's a good idea not to accuse other users of bias when you don't know anything. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 03:33, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Contradiction
Perhaps the confusion is Pionyr's rather than the article's, but on the face of it, the following statement is self-contradictory: "The Czech Republic – Nowadays Pionýr is a non-political organisation organizing leisure time for children, part of the IFM-SEI." When you consider that IFM-SEI is the International Falcon Movement/Socialist Education International, associated with the Socialist International, how can Pionyr be part of that and simultaneously be a non-political organisation? 86.173.228.125 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC).

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