Talk:Piotr Gontarczyk

From May 19, 2018
Starring May 19, after massive changes added by one editor this BLP article is not neutral anymore, weight towards criticism only.GizzyCatBella (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The article was indeed expanded - with coverage in proportion to the way the subject has been covered in RS.Icewhiz (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m afraid you are grossly inaccurate. In 32 minutes, until a formerly stable article of the respected historian ( a living person) has been swamped with a cherry-picked, mysterious and doubtful substance.GizzyCatBella (talk) 03:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * A poorly sourced article was improved with information from peer reviewed journals, academic books, and mainstream news. We reflect what RSes say about the subject - negative or positive.Icewhiz (talk) 05:06, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Article was so "well improved” that requires a BLP tag now.GizzyCatBella (talk) 13:58, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Independent sources needed
RE this diff, as the subject in question is clearly promoting WP:FRINGE views, not accepted by the scientific community at large, and mainly propagated in the press and mass-market books, the guidelines of WP:FRIND are quite clear that we should not use the subject's own writings to described his own views.Icewhiz (talk) 07:28, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Is prohibiting ritual slaughter anti-Semitic?
Please prove it.Xx236 (talk) 09:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Double standards
In any conflict a murder is an important point. Why should the Przytyk conflict be different?Xx236 (talk) 09:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Polish Workers' Party
Gontarczyk has published two books about the Polish Workers' Party. The subject is ignored here. It's cherrypicking, bias.Xx236 (talk) 09:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Michlic
The long quotation has been written by Michlic, not by the quoted editors.Xx236 (talk) 09:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

the Jews are not part of the Polish nation
Has Gontarczyk written are?
 * Many Jews living in Poland 1919-1939 didn't consider themselves to be part of the Polish nation. They spoke poor Polish, preferred German or Russian culture, voted for Jewish parties or ignored the outside world like some Orthodox Jews do now in Israel.
 * Many Jews settled in Western Poland aftre the WWII and tried to form some Jewish authonomy. When the Commmunists rejected the plans, many of the Jews emigrated. Xx236 (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

among officials such as Gontarczyk
Gontarczyk is one of many historians employed by the IPN. Zuroff, the director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center office in Jerusalem, is an official. Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Wałęsa controversy
The situation has changed since 2012.Xx236 (talk) 06:58, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * In what manner? What needs to be updated regarding Gontarczyk (whose main contribution to the affair was co-authoring the 2008 book)? Sources?Icewhiz (talk) 07:04, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * 1000 sources. The original documents have been found supporting Gontarczyk.Xx236 (talk) 08:28, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Is Wikinews a reliable source?Xx236 (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Assessment of Gontarczyk in RS
In regards to diff, please explain how attributed statements appearing in a journal paper on the work of this individual are REDFLAG, or a BLP violation? Per WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE we generally cover subjects in a manner commensurate with the way they are covered in reliable sources. Icewhiz (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Further more, in relation to this redaction removed on the assertion of "cut down the attacks on the subject of a BLP via marginal opinion pieces" - the edit summary would appear to be false, as publications in journals or in an academic book published by University of Nebraska Press and written by an expert in the field are not "marginal opinion pieces". Icewhiz (talk) 16:29, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Notability

 * Gontarczyk has published many books.
 * Gontarczyk and Cenckiewicz have published a biography of Wałęsa. Thsy were ridiculed, now almost everyone accepts their accusations. Xx236 (talk) 09:12, 26 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I concur, the subject clearly passes WP:NPROF and probably GNG as well due to his prominence in Polish media (interviews etc.). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Neutrality issues?
Two years ago User:GizzyCatBella added the NPOV/UNDUE tags to the article, but I don't really see a rationale here or in the edit summaries outside generic commentf rom Talk:Piotr_Gontarczyk. Could you and other interested editors comment on whether the article is still non-neutral? My quick reading didn't find any major red flags. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Piotrus,Should probably remove the "Jedwabne pogrom" section as it is mostly self-sourced with the only secondary source just quoting an interview he gave. I also don't think the content form the JTA sourced is properly summerized as it elides that Gontarczyk's quotes about Gross's work are seen as revisionist by a third party content expert.  Mostly though I just don't think one author criticizing another belongs in a BLP unless the criticism itself was noted by third parties.AlmostFrancis (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Improvements and reception
TrangaBellam (talk) 12:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Jedwabne section
As has been flagged before, the “Jedwabne” section is perhaps most emblematic of the neutrality issues present throughout this article: no reference to the fact that Gontarczyk’s ideas are considered fringe by scholars who specialize in the Holocaust in Poland. He is not a historian (his PhD is in sociology) and does not have any training in Holocaust studies. The polish-language version of his article is much more neutral. I would edit the English version to match that in tone but this article is locked. 71.190.74.83 (talk) 05:08, 30 January 2024 (UTC)