Talk:Piplup

National Pokédex
As the Water starters are always the seventh Pokémon in the new Pokédex lists, I'm guessing Pochama will be #393 in the National Pokédex, between its own Stage 1 and Hikozaru's Stage 2 evolution. So, if anyone agrees, I'd like to add this Pokémon as #393 in the National Pokédex. Double Dash 21:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * While I agree, that would be filed under original research, so we can't add it to the article. Sorry, H ig hway Return to Oz...  21:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Bah. Oh, well. That's a real shame, that, I was looking forward to adding something to a Pokédex page. But I agree, it'd be OR. Double Dash 21:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Splashguina?
Why does it say in the article that the endlish name of Pochama is Splashguina? In Serebii.net, Serebii says that Pochama keeps its japanese name. That is true right? Munchlax 22:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No matter how bad an image is, if you're stil lable to read characters at all you'd never get Splashguina instead of Pochama. Reverted.—ウルタプ 22:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The name pochama however is not confirmed to the english name and there for should be removed and replace with the Japanese name Pochama —Preceding unsigned comment added by DSDark (talk • contribs)
 * Oh look how convenient. The name never changed so the page is still Pochama. I'm going out on a limb and saying you were…trying to say something coherent? .-.— ウルタプ 23:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To ウルタプ, if you look at the history, you will see that someone said that the ENG name of Pochama is Splashguina. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pochama&diff=107664914&oldid=107664048 74.111.14.37 00:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The English name of Pochama is obviously Penguinfacehead. But of course, just because someone (namely me, in this last case) says something doesn't prove the validity of that statement. Pictures from the Toy Fair, apparently, give a better indication of "Pochama" than anything else, such as "Splashguina". Which is also, by the way, a letter too long.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 00:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why on Earth is Pochama's American name the same as it's japanese name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicmaster1223 (talk • contribs)
 * Why not? It's possible. Pikachu, Togepy, Donphan, the entire Chikorita line, just to name a few…and with the exception of the original three legendary birds, all legendaries have the same names in Japanese and English with at most slight spelling changing to make pronunciation more obvious (i.e. Suikun→Suicune).—ウルタプ 01:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So is Ariados, Aipom, and if Serebii.net is correct, Pachirisu as well.Brainiac07 09:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As I hear it, though, aren't there conflicting photographs from the event - one piece of merchandise that says Pochama, and another that says something far shorter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.33.253 (talk • contribs)
 * Since no one has even bothered to post said images to the public, I guess we should stick to "Pochama" for now. o__o;—ウルタプ 00:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'll remind anyone who thought that "Splashguina" could even be remotely possible: English names of Pokémon are restricted to ten letters - "Splashguina" has 11. Just some vandal having a field day. ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 18:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I say mention both until something else happens. >>;—ウルタプ 13:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Serebii.net is now saying that the english name is Piplup. AxG   (talk)   (guest book)  11:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha. So this is that "conflicting photo" thing.
 * Yep...it's like "Snubble" all over again, only more so. On a side note, am I the only one who can't figure out what the etymology behind "Piplup" might be? :) ~e.o.t.d~ (蜻蛉の目•話す•貢献) 18:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Piplup could simply be from the words "peep" and "plump". The latter being related the pochapocha in Japanese. Shao-Yoshi 20:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe Piplup is derived from the words "pip" and "plop". "Pip" is a sound of a just newborn chick of any avian species and is also the sound of a chick hatching out of its shell. "Plop", of course, is the sound of something falling through water and the sound of raindrops falling. I think that's right. I could be wrong, though. Floramage! 20:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering Pochama is named after splashing (pochapocha) and upper-class children (obotchama) I'm thinking it's more like Pip from Great Expectations and "plop."—ウルタプ 00:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Piplup
Serebii.net claims that Pochama's English name has been confirmed as Piplup at a recent New York Toy Fair. Can someone find a reference for this as I cannot.

Antisora 14:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, your same predicament is the reason we've been keeping people from changing it.—ウルタプ 00:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Brainiac07 9:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it would make more sense if they spelled it as 'Piplop' because the 'Pi-' part are letters from the word penguin and the '-plop' part is like jumping and splashing in water.

I think that for the time being the official Romanization should stay, as there are two pieces of merchandise that contradict each other. BDragon 12:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Now that Piplup has been given as the official translation, why hasn't anyone changed the main heading from Pochama to Piplup? The only reason I'm saying it here is because I don't know how to do it myself.  ^_^ Brainiac07 9:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, that would be the article title. The Piplup page has non-trivial edit history, so the page can't be moved there by a non-admin.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 05:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm willing to delete the redirect and move the page, but where's the reference establishing that the name is Piplup? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It does seem quite odd that the article is called Pochama, but the creature is mentioned at all times throughout the article as "Piplup". Very odd, indeed... - NP Chilla 13:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently Nintendo Power's web site confirms the name Piplup (->Current Issue ->Creature Features).—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 22:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * (Click "current issue" then "creature feature," in case anyone gets lost.)—ウルタプ 23:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Move Page
If this Pokemon's name has been confirmed as Piplup, can somebody move the article to Piplup from Pochama? Because of the redirect from Piplup to Pochama, the move can't be made. Does anybody know how to do this? Ksy92003 talk · contribs 00:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We have to have an admin delete the Piplup redirect, then it can be moved normally.—ウルタプ 01:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought that was how we could do that. But is there an admin out there who would not mind doing that?   Ksy92003  talk · contribs 01:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I put a speedy deletion proposal on Piplup (it was removed last time because it wasn't completely confirmed like it is right now). We just have to wait now.—ウルタプ 01:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * How long after you create the proposal for speedy deletion does it usually take before actually getting deleted (if it does)? And is there a place I can go (besides Piplup's article to see any information regarding it's deletion proposal?   Ksy92003  talk · contribs 02:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy deletion you don't post anywhere, I think. Just post  on the page without removing the contents.—ウルタプ 02:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

That is so stupid! why rename poor little Poochama,the name is fine as is!(by the way when I get my preordered copy of pearl Poochama will be my starter and given an everstone to stay small and cute)
 * This article needs to renamed or moved to Piplup seeing how that is its name. DSDark 21:37, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Article Piplup
Why is this article still called Pochama when its name is Piplup? DSDark 14:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Please direct your attengion, DSDark, to the section directly above. It contains a discussion regarding this topic.  The reason is because it can't be moved yet because Piplup is already an article, a redirect to Pochama.  So we are waiting for the article Piplup to be deleted so the move can be made.   Ksy92003  talk · contribs 14:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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(already) Moved Duja ► 14:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Pochama → Piplup — The confirmed name to be used in English versions (according to Toy Fair photos and Nintendo Power) ウルタプ 15:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Its name is Piplup so there for it should be moved DSDark 15:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) We've been procrastinating this for too long now - it's time we sorted this mess out once and for all! (heck, that sounded far less aggressive in my head...) NP Chilla 16:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Support. Putting the Japanese Romanization above an English name, even if it is later changed, is ridiculous. ' 19:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. It's confirmed by Nintendo Power, so should be moved now. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 19:53, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Support....I don't see why there's a vote for this. The name's Piplup. .-. -Sukecchi 20:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Support. I honestly don't see why it can't get moved without support. It's name has been confirmed as Piplup, so a discussion seems unnecessary. Floramage! 21:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Support, of course. The reason it just can't be moved back is because that action was blocked a few weeks ago (when there was still conflicting evidence supporting "Pochama"). In order to keep the edit history, an admin has to move it now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eye.of.the.dragonfly (talk • contribs)
 * 8) Speedy move, confirmed in Nintendo Power issue and official Pokémon web site.—M_C_Y_1008 (talk/contribs) 00:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

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Comment If Piplup is indeed the official name (which I don't doubt, as Nintendo Power has reported it), we may as well move the article now. Blue Mirage | Comment 23:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know there's no point to a vote since it's confirmed. I just followed the requested move protocol verbatim. >>;—ウルタプ 01:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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The Article Piplup
i Copied and pasted very thing from this page and put it in the Piplup article. Can this article be removed? DSDark 01:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I reverted you. Due to copyright reasons, we're not supposed to do that, but we have to delete that redirect before being able to move this page ourselves. Which is why I requested a move.—ウルタプ 01:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

About the Piplup move
Wow, the things you find watching "Recent changes" for vandalism.

Ok--in case anyone who watches this or who wanders over because they think y'all are vandalising the place up is confused---you can't move a page through copy-pasting because you lose the article's history.

And once that was done, the Piplup article space had edits on it, and so actually moving the article had to be done by an admin, because only admin's can move articles to namespaces where there have been previous edits.

Piplup currently redirects here so that there aren't two articles at once and edits being done in two places. Talk:Piplup redirects here so that there's only one talk page. In the meantime, the move Pochama → Piplup is listed on the Requested moves page as an Uncontroversial move (because y'all have agreed), so as soon as an admin gets to your request, the article located here (including it's edit history) and the talk page located here (and it's edit history) will be moved to Piplup and Talk:piplup respectively and Pochama and Talk:Pochama will become redirects for their Piplup counterparts.

Currently, it's the other way around but only because of the odd circumstances. Normally, once you guys achieved consensus, one of you could move the page by clicking the little move button that you see at the top of the page.

Anyway, I hope this makes sense to everyone and that nothing else big happens before your big move. Have fun! Miss Mondegreen | Talk  02:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Species
I'm not asking for a change on this or anything, but doesn't it make sense that, if Turtwig is the Young Leaf Pokémon, and Chimchar is the Young Monkey Pokémon, that Piplup would be the "Young Penguin Pokémon"? This is just what I think it should be, but it probably has been confirmed to be otherwise. Just wanted to give my 2¢ on this. Ksy92003 talk · contribs 14:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

That's what I thought too. HaLoGuY007 14:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Restriction
I think that the ability to edit Piplup's page should be blocked from those who are new to wikipedia. So far, on the edit history, I have seen that it was vandalised at least six times since the start of May; Two edits were claiming that Piplup had feathers purely to avoid hobos and strippers, one edit was saying that Piplup ate dogs which is why the editor loved Piplup, and three edits were claiming that Piplup was a gangster, I edited away the one that was complete with a photoshopped image of a gangster Piplup.--Shroopliss 16:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Vandalism happens pretty frequently on Wikipedia, actually, and such levels of vandalism on a page are pretty much normal, I think. – mcy1008  ( talk ) 22:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked about 10 other random articles, and Piplup was actually vandalised more than the other articles in the past week or so.--Shroopliss 23:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you see Bidoof a few days ago? That's the kind of thing that's a problem, pretty much. – mcy1008  ( talk ) 16:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Has ANYONE noticed that the article says it evolves at level 16? It evolves once at level 15 and once at level 36. Fix this please. I have the game and have restarted thrice choosing each different starter and that is when it evolves.

Bump
This needs a German article, as lots of Pokémon sources do.

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