Talk:Pippin Took/Archive 1

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I thought he threw a stone into the well...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.45.149.198 (talk • contribs) 10:02, 4 June 2005
 * He did, you're right. – Zeal 1 July 2005 20:49 (UTC)

Has anyone else noticed that the family tree at the bottom of this page suggests that Belladonna and Bungo were engaged in an incestuous union ? WMMartin 8 August 2005 12:20 (UTC)
 * Please, by all means, if you can figure out how to fix it...I get a headache just thinking about it! -Aranel (" Sarah ") 22:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Didn't he make a lot of trouble/ he gets Gandalf killed by alerting the balrog to their present at Moira. He also forgets that they are using the name "underhill" in the prancing pony causing the incident where frodo becomes invisible. I barely remember, but isn't he the charater most readers want to kill? I thought it as him, but perhaps i am mistaken. If he is the annoying one, someone should point that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.157.10 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 20 March 2009

Really, how could anyone want to kill Pippin? If you'll remember, he is the youngest of the four main hobbits, not even of age yet, and is still considered a young boy, a child. Therefore, he displays childlike impulsiveness, as well as a clumsy manner that is often notable in most children. He is also possibly the most lovable of the characters, except perhaps Sam, and displays true loyalty as a friend in the Return of the King, when he helps Merry to find healers after he had stabbed the Witch King of Angmar. Also, though he did in fact cause the death of Gandalf, his actions allowed the wizard to come back as the more powerful Gandalf the White. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frodologist (talk • contribs) 02:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Tooks as Scots
Here and here are a couple of sites which cite the golf/Thain explanation for Billy Boyd's Scottish accent. Unfortunately, these are just fan sites: if someone can find a more official reference, that would be great. —Josiah Rowe 03:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

And this is the bit from The Hobbit about Bullroarer Took and golf: "If you have ever seen a dragon in a pinch, you will realize that this was only poetical exaggeration applied to any hobbit, even to Old Took's great-grand-uncle Bullroarer, who was so huge (for a hobbit) that he could ride a horse. He charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram in the Battle of the Green Fields, and knocked their king Golfimbul's head clean off with a wooden club. It sailed a hundred yards through the air and went down a rabbit-hole, and in this way the battle was won and the game of Golf invented at the same moment."—Josiah Rowe 04:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, of the two sites you sourced there, the first just refers to the second, and the second one is an old web page which doesn't have a direct quote from the actors. I've never seen a second news release that ever corrobrated or confirmed what they said here; so I think it's unreliable.  All they ever said in the commnetaries was "Took are like Scots, so we can keep them"; they didn't explain why they came to that conclusion.  So I put in the terrain stuff, granted as mostly speculation, because I think it's more rationale than the strained golf explanation. ---Ricimer 02:19, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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In universe
This article is far too "in universe" and needs to be rewritten to reflect that it is a fictional character. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:53, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Pippin
Should not this article be named Pippin through the rules of common name. Using his "official name" in and of itself seems to violate rules against writing in in universe style.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it couldn't just be "Pippin" as that's a common name as well as an apple. Peregrin Took has the merit of being unique and memorable, as well as a major search term. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Peregrin Took is the perfect, policy compliant name for this article per WP:NATURALDIS. Since the other, more common name Pippin, needs disambiguation, this needs a better option.  Per WP:NATURALDIS, and I quote, "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names."  Since Peregrin Took is "an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title.", it makes a good title given that Pippin would not work because there are too many other articles also using that name.  -- Jayron 32 14:42, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * How about Pippin (Hobbit) or Pippin Took. They both would be much better than the current name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

A plot summary not a biography
The whole plot summary is written too in-universe. This is how we would write about a real political figure who was known most from an epic story of his life, not at all how we should write a report on a fictional character.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, gosh what a mess. This should consist of a short fictional biography (from Lord of the Rings), a critical review section (from learned sources), and a popular culture section (from other sources). I've made a start and will continue. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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Denethor Germanic?
serve to throw light on the characters of the good and bad Germanic lords Théoden of Rohan and Denethor of Gondor. Obviously the Rohirric culture is written as heavily Germanic... but is there anything that suggests Gondor is too? --138.245.1.1 (talk) 12:30, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


 * This is Jane Chance's opinion. I don't think anyone else has made the suggestion, so we don't want it in Wikipedia's voice, indeed. I've removed it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)