Talk:Piranga

IOC and split of Piranga flava
The IOC split Hepatic tanager, Piranga flava (a long time ago) and has


 * Hepatic Tanager, Piranga hepatica – southwest US to Nicaragua
 * Tooth-billed Tanager, Piranga lutea – northern and western South America
 * Red Tanager, Piranga flava – southeast South America

(ie the Hepatic tanager changes from flava to hepatica) I was about to make the changes to follow the IOC and looked at the articles by the group of Kevin Burns on the genetics.


 * Manthey et al 2016 show that the genetic differences between the 3 proposed species are relatively small - less that between the two samples of P. olivacea
 * Manthey et al 2016 show that P. lutea is polyphyletic (at least from the two samples in the study).
 * Neither SACC nor the AOU have made the split
 * I prefer to lump rather than split

But Ridgely & Tudor 2009 p. 212 splits flava from lutea

I've reverted my initial changes. The references are:

- Aa77zz (talk) 17:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)