Talk:Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl/Archive 1

Monkey Island
"There are also several references to Monkey Island"

Anyone know details or a link? --Air 09:32, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * This link goes into details of similarities and influences: http://www.scummbar.com/resources/articles/index.php?newssniffer=readarticle&article=1029 violet/riga (t) 10:34, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * thanks. There don't seem to be any inarguable links to Monkey Island (shame really) so I'm softening the statement in the article somewhat. --Air 13:30, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

The reason some elements of the movie resemble Monkey Island, is because both are based on the pirates Disney ride. Terry Rossio said he never played the game and they don't refer to it in the movie. Fredvdp 18:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Awards
To be added to awards, once formatted...

Broadcast Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won BFCA Award Best Family Film - Live Action

Nominated BFCA Award Best Actor Johnny Depp Cinema Audio Society, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated CAS Award Outstanding Achievement in Sound Mixing for Motion Pictures Christopher Boyes (re-recording mixer) David Parker (re-recording mixer) David E. Campbell (re-recording mixer) Lee Orloff (production mixer)

Costume Designers Guild Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated CDG Award Excellence for Costume Design for Film - Period/Fantasy Penny Rose Empire Awards, UK Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Empire Award Best Actor Johnny Depp Nominated Empire Award Best British Actress Keira Knightleys ass is big

Best Film

Best Newcomer Mackenzie Crook

Scene of the Year For the rum scene.

Golden Globes, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated Golden Globe Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture - Musical or Comedy Johnny Depp Golden Satellite Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated Golden Satellite Award Best Costume Design Penny Rose

Best Motion Picture, Comedy or Musical

Best Overall DVD

Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture, Comedy or Musical Johnny Depp

Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role, Comedy or Musical Geoffrey Rush

Best Visual Effects John Knoll

Hollywood Film Festival Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2003 Won Movie of the Year Hollywood Makeup Artist and Hair Stylist Guild Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Hollywood Makeup Artist and Hair Stylist Guild Award Best Character Hair Styling - Feature Martin Samuel Lucia Mace

Best Period Makeup - Feature Ve Neill Joel Harlow Douglas Noe David DeLeon Ken Diaz David Dupuis Deborah Patino Jene Fielder

Nominated Hollywood Makeup Artist and Hair Stylist Guild Award Best Character Makeup - Feature Ve Neill Joel Harlow

MTV Movie Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated MTV Movie Award Best Comedic Performance Johnny Depp

Best Male Performance Johnny Depp

Best Movie

Best On-Screen Team Johnny Depp Orlando Bloom

Best Villain Geoffrey Rush

Breakthrough Female Performance Keira Knightley

Motion Picture Sound Editors, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Golden Reel Award Best Sound Editing in Domestic Features: Dialogue/ADR George Watters II (supervising sound editor) Christopher Boyes (supervising sound editor) Teri E. Dorman (supervising dialogue editor) Jessica Gallavan (supervising adr editor) Ulrika Akander (dialogue/adr editor) David A. Arnold (dialogue/adr editor) Gloria D'Alessandro (dialogue/adr editor) Lisa J. Levine (dialogue/adr editor) Victoria Rose Sampson (dialogue/adr editor) Karen Spangenberg (dialogue/adr editor)

Nominated Golden Reel Award Best Sound Editing in Domestic Features: Sound Effects/Foley George Watters II (supervising sound editor) Christopher Boyes (supervising sound editor) Victoria Martin (supervising foley editor) Addison Teague (sound effects editor) Timothy Nielsen (sound effects editor) Ken Fischer (sound effects editor) Matthew Harrison (foley editor) James Likowski (foley editor) Christine Danelski (foley editor) Valerie Davidson (foley editor) Solange S. Schwalbe (foley editor)

Best Sound Editing in a Feature: Music, Feature Film Jeanette Surga (music editor) Christopher Brooks (music editor/scoring editor) Kenneth Karman (music editor)

Online Film Critics Society Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated OFCS Award Best Actor Johnny Depp

Best Costume Design

Best Original Score Klaus Badelt

Best Sound

Best Visual Effects

People's Choice Awards, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won People's Choice Award Favorite Motion Picture

Screen Actors Guild Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Actor Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Leading Role Johnny Depp

Visual Effects Society Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won VES Award Outstanding Matte Painting in a Motion Picture Yannick 'Botex' Dusseault Susumu Yukuhiro Jonathan Harb

Outstanding Special Effects in Service to Visual Effects in a Motion Picture Geoff Heron Robbie Clot Jason Brackett John McLeod

Nominated VES Award Outstanding Character Animation in a Live Action Motion Picture Sue Campbell James Tooley Geoff Campbell Dugan Beach

Outstanding Models and Miniatures in a Motion Picture Charles Bailey Peter Bailey Robert Edwards Don Bies For "The Interceptor". Outstanding Models and Miniatures in a Motion Picture Geoff Campbell James Tooley Steve Walton Dugan Beach For "Captain Barbossa". Outstanding Performance by a Male or Female Actor in an Effects Film Keira Knightley

Outstanding Visual Effects Photography in a Motion Picture Carl Miller Michael Conte Tami Carter

Outstanding Visual Effects in a Visual Effects Driven Motion Picture John Knoll Patrick T. Myers Hal T. Hickel Jill Brooks

Young Artist Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Nominated Young Artist Award Best Family Feature Film - Comedy or Musical

The Setting....
The artical states that the movie is set in the early 1700's, but Port Royal was destroyed in 1692. Did someone perhaps mistake "1700's" for "seventeenth century"? --Silver86 20:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The writers said in their commentary (on the DVD) that the film was set in a floating thirty-year environment, from around 1720-50. They did not mean for it to be entirely historically accurate.  But we can tell it's in the eighteenth century by looking at the costumes - the buttons on the Navy uniforms are engraved with "GR" (Georg(us?) Rex), which would put it in the time of the George Hanoverians (1714-1830).  I'd put my bet on George II (1727 - 1760). --Kaellana 13:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say the film has to take place at least after 1740, due the the usage of Rule Britannia during Norrington's promotion. --Obsessed 01:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

i think it takes place in the mid-1700's cuz they talk about the new world (u.s.a.) in the 2nd--jesusfreek2 00:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

According to all clues, it takes place after 1740 and before 1750. We have to change that in the article. I am gonna do it right now. Pirate86 18:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The filmmakers stated they took liberties with the actual timeline. Any dates require a reliable source for the film, not actual events. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  18:44, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Where in the commentary do the writers say that the movie takes place around 1720-50? If they say this, then this is officially when the movie takes place, regardless of historical inaccuracies.

Shameless plug?
"The wordplay was well suited to both Geoffrey Rush's and especially Johnny Depp's unusual style and worked well throughout the film. The official FIRST DRAFT of the script is available here, on Elliott & Rossio's Wordplay a.k.a. Wordplayer.com, one of the premier screenwriting sites on the internet."

That sounds pretty self-promoting, should it be removed? 60.234.155.202 10:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fixed that, thanks! violet/riga (t) 10:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Possible Cleanup?
This article is starting to look messy maybe a cleanup maybe required anyone else think so? Empty2005 06:13, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, there was an older version that looked much better with higher quality content 141.149.182.35 22:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Aye, let's swab this page 'til there is nothing left but the most necessary, argh! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.228.148.172 (talk) 19:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

99.172.131.144 (talk) 00:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)Why are fan sites, official and otherwise, disallowed and removed when they're added to the external links? Sometimes the fan sites have the information first (due to "unofficial" official leaks from the studio)

Removed Comments
''Although early on in the picture when a young Elizabeth is singing "A Pirates life for me" was described by many viewers as "Cheesy" and "Cringe-worthy". ''

Who are many "viewers"? Looks like personal comment and opinion without citation.

Easter Egg
What is the Easter egg.

The Easter Egg is:

The "glaring plothole" involving Bootstrap
This article says that there is a "glaring plothole", where Bootstrap should have died after being tied to the cannon and thrown into the ocean. However, I'm sure I read somewhere (I believe the back of the Bootstrap Bill action figure package) that Bootstrap did not die, and was left there for years until Davy Jones found him. Bootstrap sold his soul to Davy Jones in order to be freed, and now is a crewmember aboard the Flying Dutchman. ShadowUltra 02:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

There are action figures? Were can you get them? Jack Sparra 11:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

--Thanks for this, without this tidbit (or an action figure) one is left with the unpleasant image of Bootstrap, undead, tied to a cannon at the bottom of the ocean for nine years and then drowning when the curse is lifted.

The article says the pirates needed blood from all of the crew to lift the curse. That makes sense, but where did they say that? As I recall, in the movie they only referred to needing Bootstraps blood, and said nothing about thier own. Jack Sparra 11:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just to explian it cause you seem a little confused: Everyone who took a piece of Aztec Gold OUT OF THE CHEST will be cursed until all of the pieces of gold have been returned and everyone who took a pice of gold OUT OF THE CHEST has payed back their blood. all of barbossa's crew have already repayed their blood except for Bootstrap who sent off a piece of the treasure to Will because he said Barbossa's crew should remain cursed.--JG ROX 04:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

-- Yuliana Sadeli: but i found a little hole in the story. if ALL the crew members have turned undead, how can they spill their blood to lift the curse? undeads don't bleed. having Will pay for his father's blood makes sense because he is still mortal, but Jack and the rest of the crew?? what blood?

They may be undead, and unable to feel or taste, but they DO bleed. This is notable from when Elizabeth stabs Barabossa in his cabin, when Jack cuts his own hand and during the navy-skeletal fights. In all cases are the stabbing implements covered in blood. -Mr.Bob


 * Point of interest: in the first movie, when Barbossa has Elizabeth in the cave, he specifically states that every single person (minus Bootstrap, of course) had already given their blood to lift the curse. EVula 02:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Even if the undead can bleed, then it's still a plot hole because the undead don't need their own blood to survive so it has no real value as a sacrifice. Then again, the whole idea of the curse is stupid. Barbossa's crew had problems only because they sold all the gold pieces before they realized they were cursed. In theory, someone could deliberately take gold from the chest to become invincible and then simply return the piece and give a few drops of blood when they've done what they wanted to do.


 * Which is exactly what Captain Jack did because he knew he'd have to face Barbossa in the future, and being mortal he wouldn't be able to win against an immortal. But he had worked out with Will a signal to put the final pieces of gold back in to the chest, making them all mortal again.  Barbossa wouldn't expect this, so Jack could take advantage of the surprise to make his killing strike.  Now, given what we know about Jack, he probably didn't do these things to save the good guys from the bad guys, but to make contigencies so that he could save his own skin when he needed to do so.  The problems with the curse seem to be the long-term effects, and Jack didn't expect to take long to take care of his current problems.  But when facing the noose, he was probably more concerned about the long-term effects of not being cursed.  Val42 03:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

If everybody needs to spill their own blood after stealing a piece of gold, when does Sparrow spill his? Clearly he stole a goldcoin in the end of the movie? 62.20.158.66 23:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just before Jack tosses the coin to Will, he runs his blade across the palm of his hand (there's a little scraping sound effect to go with this). He's holding the coin at the time, so his blood is smeared on it when it's dropped into the chest. PNW Raven 20:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But in the second movie, Jack the monkey is an undead monkey and he gets shot a lot of times and he doesn't bleed a drop. Mr. Gibbs himself said after Jack shot the monkey, "You know that won't do no good!" and Jack says "It does me!" Answer that goof!
 * Well, if we are looking for consistency in the (Pirates of the Carribean) movies, then blades will draw blood from the undead pirates, except under moonlight. When Elizabeth stabbed Barbossa on the Black Pearl, there was blood on the knife.  But bullets apparently don't draw blood.  When Jack Sparrow shot Barbossa, he didn't bleed until the curse was lifted.  Apparently, "wounds" to the undead will "heal" over time, but there wasn't enough time for the hole from the bullet to "heal" before Barbossa became mortal and died from the wound that he'd received while he was still undead.  The other three pirates in the cave probably died because they were blown to bits and weren't able to get themselves together before the curse was lifted.  But the pirate crew on the ship were in the moonlight so they weren't being wounded until the curse was lifted, then they gave up. Now the pirate that had his hand hammered off by the govenor would probably die soon unless someone applied a tourniquet. Val42 06:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * After thinking this over a little, I'm modifying my statement a little: Bullets would carry with them blood from the undead, though we have not seen this in the context of the movie. So, if you went and found the bullet, you'd find blood on it.  But they've still been consistent in that the hole created by the bullet doesn't bleed.  But isn't Jack the only one of the undead that we saw put blood on one of the coins? Val42 21:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Monkeys
speaking of monkeys...........what kind of monkey IS Jack the Monkey????? Aelita the Angel 5:09 pm, June20, 2006


 * Jack is a Capuchin Monkey


 * an undead one — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.113.3 (talk) 22:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Movie 3 Name: At World's End (USA Today Source)
Here's the source for the name of the third movie... Batman2005 18:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
I've removed this beast in its entirety, for now; as time permits, I may assist in turning this into prose. If this ever is to be a featured article&mdash;or even a good article, for that matter&mdash;anything suggesting triviality will need to be removed anyway. Significant, relevant details should be in prose, not bullet points. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  01:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Parley
'Parley' is clearly from French 'Parlez' (to talk). Jack says so.

Pintel: Pintel: Parley? Damn to the depths whatever man what thought of "Parley".

Jack Sparrow: That would be the French.

Not sure why the article claims middle English (despite the Websters reference). 144.134.89.223 10:05, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The French verb is 'parler', not 'parlez' ('parlez' is a conjugated form). Fredvdp 19:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Per Meriam Webster - "Etymology: Middle English parlai speech, probably from Middle French parlee, from feminine of parlé, past participle of parler to speak, from Medieval Latin parabolare, from Late Latin parabola speech, parable" - Beardo 15:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

A question about part of the movie
In the movie, it is originally stated that after having been marooned by Barbossa, Jack Sparrow made a rope out of human hair and used it to tie two sea turtles together and escape using them as a raft. Later though, something is mentioned about smugglers having been on the island and Jack having only spent three days there drinking rum. Could someone please clarify what happened during his stay on the island and how he escaped from it?-- Conrad Devonshire  Talk  06:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really sure what the confusion is. The part about roping together sea turtles is pretty obviously bullshit, said only to further the legacy of Jack Sparrow. He was picked up after a couple of days. Not nearly as exciting, which is why he conjured up the turtle story. EVula 06:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

He lied- he's a Pirate!!!--Saxophobia 22:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The Pirates of the Caribbean: The Legend of Jack Sparrow article states you can escape from the island using sea turtles in the game. Now, since it's obviously a lie, why is this in the game? Or are the levels themselves actually part of Jack's "legend", and aren't actually true depictions of his exploits? - 81.151.186.81 12:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

In the Game, which i've beaten... he tells fake Stories. (Spoilers Following.) He tells them to stall time and he and Will are eventually rescued from being hanged by Elizabeth. Obi-WanKenobi-2005 26, December 2006

It was Gibbs who made up the BS story of Jack's escape. Jack seems a bit amused when he overhears Gibbs telling it to Will.Huskydawg 18:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Pirates of the Caribbean Franchise proposal
I was wondering whether of not an article on the film series/theme ride would be in order? --SGCommand (talk • contribs) 18:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Cast
IMDB lists Mercer (David Schofield; Cutler Beckett's aide) and Wyvern (John Boswall; crewer stuck to the wall on the Flying Dutchman) as having roles in this film, though I was under the impression both were introduced in DMC? - 213.120.158.227 18:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * IMDb does very little verification of its users' submissions; it is not a reliable source. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  19:17, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It is mentioned that Mister Cotton cut out his own tongue in the Cast part of the Wikipage. I do not recall this tidbit of information in the film.

As far as I know, the quote goes "He had his tongue cut out...", which could have been rather involuntarily during his "adventures". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.82.141.4 (talk) 09:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Ship naming conventions
After asking about Wiki standards/preferences for displaying ship names, I've gone through this article and made sure all ship names are italicized (not including the prefix "HMS" for Royal Navy ships). Also, at one point, I replaced a phrase to the effect of "The Royal Navy ship Dauntless" to "HMS Dauntless" for the sake of sentence flow. I forgot to log on before I did this, but the edits should be easy enough to find (being made right before the timestamp on my signature here).--Raguleader 05:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Caribbean
How do you say 'caribbean'? like, care-i-be-an or cuh-rib-ian?
 * According to Dictionary.com, both seem to be correct.--Raguleader 06:05, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Same with Merriam-Webster, which lists kair-ih-BEE-un first and kuh-RIB-bee-un second. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  12:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * THe locals prefer the term Kaaribean I'm told. 216.174.135.175 18:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)jamhaw


 * Both are correct, but if you want to pronounce it the way you spell it, you should place the stress on the 'ri'. Fredvdp 19:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

just fixed the DCD subsection
chnaged theater to theatrical and changed another word to make the scentemce flow

About 'parlé'
There's alao another point about the phrase parlé, it comes from the French 'to speak' which is also mentioned in an improvisation by Johnny Depp, seen on the DVD

Sam 20:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Nice point, but Parley is an actual term, or so they say. BlackPearl14 00:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

3 October 2006 semi-protection
The editor at 89.172.x.x continues to change the dates during which Pearl is set, while refusing discussion about those changes and/or a reliable source therefor. Per WP:V, I have protected the page against new editors. If this editor wishes to discuss the changes and why they should remain in the article, please do so. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  18:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

"In 1687. Jamaica (Port Royal) passed anty-piracy laws." Therefore, POTC:TCOTBP is an action-adventure/comedy film set in the Caribbean AFTER that year. --89.172.x.x


 * First, you don't include the source for that statement. Second, films take liberties with actual facts. I believe someone mentioned in the DVD (commentary?) that the film is not precise to history. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." RadioKirk (u|t|c)  00:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my english language is little bad. First, my source for that statemant (year 1687.) is wikipedia. Second, if you dont now, Fore Topmast Staysail and Flying Jib (triangular sails between Fore Mast and Bowsprit) are started to use in 18. century. Third, Mizzen mast (on stern) on HMS Dauntless and HMS Interceptor have sail called spanker (not latin [triangular] sail). The spanker also started to use in 18. century. Fourth, on DVD (commentary) Keira Knightley said about her character (Elizabeth Swann) "She is a modern girl traped in 18. century". --89.172.x.x


 * First, please note per WP:V that Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself; second, you continue to use a real-life timeline for a motion picture that its makers have said took liberties with the actual timeline. Until I find something definitive, I am about to make a compromise edit. Please do not revert it. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  12:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, but you always forget to put "." after 1660 --89.172.x.x


 * Because it's incorrect. I'm not sure what country you're from but, in the US (where the film was produced), we do not put periods after individual dates. RadioKirk (u|t|c)  13:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I am from Croatia. I have heard a rumors that Blackbeard will apear in Pirates of the Caribbean:At Worlds End. --89.172.x.x


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. You can, if you wish, sign your posts using four tildes (~ ~ ), which will show the IP you're using at that moment, together with the date and time you made the post. That information is also in the edit history, but it helps editors keep track more quickly of who said what, and when. <tt style="color:#161;">RadioKirk (u|t|c) </tt> 14:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

OK! --89.172.234.25 09:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)89.172.x.x

Should a "Running gags" section get added into the main article?
You know, like the dog that everybody wants to get but noone can catch, the rum that always goes bye-bye, Jack's "This is the day that you-" phrace that get's interrupted all the time or the obvious bad quality of the candle-holders? ... Any votes?

I like this Idea. Obi-WanKenobi-2005 26, December 2006