Talk:Pitu Guli

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Does being an ethnic albanian stop him being Macedonian ? He could be a Vlachophone Macedonian, just like Ioannis Kolettis, a Greek Prime Minister, was a Vlachophone (i.e. bilingual) Greek, not an ethnic Aromanian. --Telex 22:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Pitu Guli was an ethnic albanian from Macedonia, nor ethnic Macedonian nor ethnic Bulgarian. So, stop writing about him as beeing kinda weird mixed ethnicity Bulgarian-Macedonian. He's an albanian (illyrian) like me.

You people are idiots. He was an ethnic Aromanian. He fought for Macedonia (which was allied with Bulgaria) for independence of Macedonia from Ottoman Turkey. He was not ethnic Macedonian but was still more of a Macedonian than those traitors who gave information to the Turks and made the Ilinden uprising useless. Why would an ethnic Macedonian speak Aromanian? And as if he was Illyrian. The Aromanians have nothing to do with Illyrians. Albania (The Illyrians) were on Turkey's side. They converted to Islam and oppressed Aromanians. If Pitu Guli had the chance he would have attacked Albania.

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There aren't any neutral or original sources that BMARC was certainly in use before 1898. There aren't any neutral or original sources that the BMARC statute was used in a significant period of time. There aren't any neutral or original sources that it is possible that BMARC statute was in use after 1898. The "parallel statutes" theory is not supported by any sources (neutral or not). It is supported only by FunkyFly, as far as I know. And rightly so, because it's wierd to have two operating statutes contradicting themselves - one accepting only Bulgarians, and the other accepting Aromanians (such as Pitu Guli), as well. But Funky has answers for all - since the name of the organization was certainly BMARC before 1902, all members, even Pitu Guli, are Bulgarians. --FlavrSavr 02:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC) Fravr: The Bulgarian point is that Macedonian meant a person living in the area of Macedonia considered as a gegraphical area. It included Bulgarians (Tatarchev, Sarafov, Krustyo Asenov, Goce Delchev, Dame Gruev) as well as other nationalities. It was the idea of Goce Delchev which he took from Vasil Levski. The 1903 revolutionaries followed the example of the Levski and the rebels of 1875 and 1876. Unfortunately, except for some Aromanians no other natiionality followed the call of Goce Delchev. Instead both the Greek andartes and the Serb chetniks tried to suppress the remnants of VMRO commiting much more atrocities than the Turks. You accuse the Bulgarians as occupiers yet there is no word said about the period 1918-1940 during the Skopie jupanschtina. Dou you really think that the Serbs behaved more civilized then than they did in the 1990s? You just have to ask yourselves questions contrary to the view you have already assumed so as to find the truth.

Origin and identity.
As a whole it has been acknowledged that Gull was of Aromanian origin. There may have been some sort of Albanian clues in his maternal ancestral line, even though I have read about such Albanian clues also in his father's ancestral line. The Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire at that time often had mixed marriages. Nonetheless, he had pro-Bulgarian views. This fact is particularly pronounced by his sons who had a Bulgarian consciousness. Part of the Vlach community in the late Ottoman times had strong pro-Bulgarian leanings. Jingiby (talk) 07:12, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Pitu Guli
Hello, Wikipedia says that Pitu Guli and his family are Bulgarians. But they are certainly Macedonians. Many other Macedonian revolutionaries who are Macedonians are said to be Bulgarians. Of course they are Macedonians, their motto was DEATH OR FREEDOM for Macedonia. It is not Bigarin and it cannot be. What do you think? Kristijan100jevski (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , the article says he was a Bulgarophile, not a Bulgarian. A Bulgarophile is someone who is not an ethnic Bulgarian who identifies as such or at least has positive opinions and stances about Bulgaria. Technically, an American could also be a Bulgarophile, but that doesn't mean that American is Bulgarian. Super   Ψ   Dro  21:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Пито Гулевъ
one detail i think should be added is the older spelling of his name "Pitu Guli" in older cyrillic ﻿ "Пито Гулевъ" (since i see a lot of IMRO members like Petre Pop Arsov both feature the modern and older spelling of his name) Gurther (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok. Jingiby (talk) 06:38, 7 January 2023 (UTC)