Talk:Pizza delivery

American centric
Once again this article has become very American centric. Again it focuses entirely on pizza delivery in the United States. Once again I have to say some effort should be made to include pizza delivery in European and Asian countries as well. (RaF (talk) 21:00, 7 January 2010 (UTC))

Poor picture
what the hell is that picture? is that really the best picture of a pizza anyone can find? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skunkz48 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

History
Umm, the whole reason i came to this page is to see where it came from or started, and there is not even a hint of its origins —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donovan3995 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Tipping
The suggested tip in the article has been edited to say 20% instead of 15%. I checked the sources, one said 15%, one said 10-15%, and the third was a dead link. Based on the sources, I am changing the value back to 15%. If sources are found that say 20%, then those sources should be added and the wording could be changed from "15%" to "15-20%". Of course, if many more sources are found that say 20% than say 15%, then I think it would be OK to say 20% in the article. Susfele (talk) 23:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Image suggestion
Suggest using the gallery for single-photo pizza delivery stories. Visitor7 (talk) 04:56, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Aurelio deepdish 4.jpg
This is a bad photo for pizza. It isn't even real pizza. It's bread with brown soup on it, no other toppings. It's really nasty and disgusting! Are you ready for IPv6? (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Potential reference
I think it would need other references to put it into a historical context, depending on how it was used. --Ronz (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Pizza delivery orders, pranks, and experience
This is definitely a thing, and I remember reading about an instance in which a startup pizza place had to close because some guys ordered so many unpaid pizzas that they lost too much money to continue. I found some sources about Mitt Romney trying to prank Obama and failing.

Here's an interview from a pizza delivery guy on his experiences. - M0rphzone (talk) 00:29, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, here's a source on how pizza places lose money/customers due to bad phone service. - M0rphzone (talk) 00:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * So save everyone a hassle and properly cite it. Don't quote a story that revolves around a subway air vent system in the UK that is camouflaged to look like a house that had been used as a "target house" to make a general claim that "it is a common...", then expect to not get challenged.

The interview with pizza guy was his experience on open ended question. It is WP:SPSas it is his own words and not an analysis by media outlet or credible author of such incidents, so as such it is an anecdotal claim.
 * The daily motion one is about technical problem with telecommunication.

Your references do not substantiate how pervasive it is in general(in English speaking countries in general, hence en.wikipedia) "Pizza delivery guys are often subject to prank calls ". So I'm not sure how you came about that claim. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 00:49, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I know these refs have problems. But don't go bashing on me for not finding good-enough sources. Maybe you're not familiar with this topic because you're from Canada, but we do not need to substantiate how pervasive it is in the general Anglophone population; that is irrelevant. Of course, if this article only mentioned US topics, then Pizza delivery in the US would be a better name.
 * Do you want to start helping to find some good refs to replace unfavorable refs, instead of criticizing/checking them? That helps a lot more than what you're doing. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:01, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, found a source on the consequences to one prank caller. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:04, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It's easier for you to find references to something that you want to add, rather than to add references for someone else's claim. Sort of like writing your own paper and reporting findings as you go, vs finding a paper someone free wrote and have to go found references around it. You added that claim. You should add references that support it. Coming up with your own conclusion that it happens often is incorrect. You could gather up half a dozen or so school shooting incidents, and say that "school shootings happen often" and it is still a subjective statement. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 01:08, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * You could've found a ref in the time it took you to write that repeated line. I know the policies and I am finding refs, but you know you can help find refs as well. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:11, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyways, finally found a ref on a pizza place losing money from prank orders. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:11, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok? Again, like school shooting, this is a note worthy incident, not a common occurrence as you allude. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 01:18, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's no longer the topic/point of the section. If you had read the section again, you would've noticed. - M0rphzone (talk) 01:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Wording of sentences
Moved from edit summaries: - M0rphzone (talk) 04:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC) "A prank order may cost businesses a lot of money and aggravation, resulting in the restaurant throwing away the unpaid pizzas. For example, a prank order for 148 pizzas cost a pizza place in Amherst nearly $4,000." These sentences were added because they were notable. The pranks themselves are not important; the effects on the pizza businesses are what's important. (M0rphzone)
 * "a lot of" = subjective weasel. Adding that makes sense as much as saying "running around with a pencil can be dangerous" then citing ONE notable example showing freak trauma incident.. but this is not typical outcome. (Cantaloupe)
 * How hard is it for you to reword it correctly? It's that little phrase that can be removed. You don't need to bland it down to a sentence that basically has no meaning or purpose to be there. And that sentence was taken from the ref itself. (M0rphzone)

"A lot of" is from the ref itself. You think I'd just pull descriptive phrases out of my ass? We have cited the ref, and that's what it said, so there is really no need in getting your pants caught up over some slight wording, Cantaloupe. - M0rphzone (talk) 04:44, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Reporter reported that a prank cost the business a lot of money in that particular instance. I put it back in exact same context. I hope you're happy Cantaloupe2 (talk) 05:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

US-centric claims
You're edits are getting quite ridiculous, Cantaloupe. We don't append "United States" to every single city/town when we mention US cities, nor do we do that for cities in the UK, Canada, Australia, etc. It is superfluous and unnecessary, and has nothing to do with your American-centric claims. - M0rphzone (talk) 04:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Ugh
I think it would be illegal to sell pic 5 in Europe. Poor Americans. --92.202.24.181 (talk) 18:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Online Pizza ordering in Japan
Here is the top google search item: http://nihonshock.com/2010/02/4-major-japanese-pizza-chains-compared/

Fairly anecdotal, but it does show that online ordering is a part of all the chains mentioned in the blog post. Pizza Hut's online ordering software: http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2011/20110722-01.html

If you want more citations, let me know, but adding Japan to the list is neither self researched nor anecdotal.Pizzamancer (talk) 14:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Source 1: that is just some blog, which is more or less useless. see WP:USERG Source 2: It's a press release price that says that they provide software. Find a reliable secondary source that supports your claim that it has gained popularity. Cantaloupe2 (talk) 22:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of tip amounts
Made a bold edit and removed reference to a largely self-published site which seems to lean towards advocating for tipped employees. The links shown within sites like here is another indication of such. here. This is a controversial area where WP:SPS is certainly not appropriate. comments? Cantaloupe2 (talk) 22:47, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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