Talk:Placebo (band)/Archive 1

Introduction List-O-Songs
"For What It's Worth" should probably be added to the list of most popular songs. The discography page indicated that it's one of their most popular, and I hear the song all the time.--Dark Charles (talk) 04:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Lyrics - Humanity & Emotions
Why is the last sentence so defensive? Why do they need to "justify" their lyrical content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexGein (talk • contribs) 14:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

They don't necessarily need to justify themselves, but, to be rational, one needs a reason to do something. I'm actually the one that wrote that and I don't mind if you change it (the whole section seems a little mechanical to me).Semistablesystem (talk) 06:26, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Trivia Section
Why was it removed?

Suggestion
I would recommend that someone write a "Collaborators" section, because it seems like a lot of bands have one on their Wikipedia page and also because Placebo often times talks about collaborating with other people. I would myself, but I'm afraid I actually don't know that much about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.196.204 (talk) 20:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Discography
Where'd the discography on this end up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.45.126.124 (talk • contribs)

84.94.6.207 deleted it, but I restored it. 82.182.24.17 10:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Sixth Studio Album: Battle For the Sun. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.229.132 (talk) 17:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow
Hi. Just want to congratulate whoever revamped the discography section. Awesome! Well done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.25.255.210 (talk • contribs)

way to include information about MA and sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheeet (talk • contribs)

Chart Positions of Albums
Hi

Who removed the Chart Positions of the Albums in the Discography. It was, I believe, important information. Restore it please... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.54.202.100 (talk • contribs)

Placebo tuning
This was placed on the "placebo tuning" page that i'll add a speedy to.
 * The tuning commonly used by the popular glam/rock/punk band Placebo. It consists of [F Bb Eb Ab C C] Or in normal chronomatic terms {F A# D# G# C C]. People commonly just put a capo on the first fret and go from there, but to get it right you MUST use this tuning.

Jpe|ob 03:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Violation of Wikipedia Key Policies
Hi, how come there are homophobic remarks in this article? To whoever wrote "gays sux[sic]": if it is too much asked of you to type the correct, if slightly longer spelling, why bother at all, especially as you are ignoring the fact, that articles should be written from a neutral point of view? And what is the point of that image? Furthermore, I don't think that the music of Placebo belongs to the House genre. Could anyone please change these points?139.18.1.5 12:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions for minor improvements
The "this article does not cite its sources" tag really should be at the top of the article in my opinion, and also, in the trivia section, it claims that "Brian Molko was once mistaken for a female sex worker", which seems to be blatent vandalism...without a decent source I really think that should be removed. Give feedback or I`ll just edit it. Plebmonk 02:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

That is a story he has told to Kerrang at their ten year anneversary of their first album. QUOTE: Interviewer: And, just before that, you had been mistaken for a hooker in a hotel... Brian: ''That was early on in Nottingham. We went back to the hotel after a gig and the hotel manager informed my manager that he couldn't bring ladies of the night back.'' So even though it's not plausible, it has a source... EliF 09:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Even with a source that is dodgy at best, I`m still hesitant to keep it in the article. I suppose if someone could give me a reliable source then I`d be convinced...even though it doesn`t seem to be relevant to the article really. Plebmonk 19:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Plebmonk 03:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

That comment was sourced, i read through the source article and couldnt find any mention of the incident. I've deleted that comment until someone can find a record of it in an interview and source it correctly.

Photos Please!
Given that the way the band, and in particular Brian Molko,look and dress is a big part of their image and that there are comments in the article about it can we have some pictures? A selection from the fey beginnings to the current no hair at all would be nice! Redkaty 15:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added some free pictures i found on Flickr, licensed CC-BY. See also commons:Category:Placebo (band) [[Image:Huskyoog.jpg]] Husky (talk page) 21:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Videography
yeah, could there be one, please?????!!!! LollyLo 04:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Genre
Glam Rock? I wouldn't personally call them that, any other opinions?

I've heard Brit Pop be used to describe them, but don't know how well this fits or not. I also don't agree that they are glam rock. While they might fit musically the style, they hardly look like Twiggy Stardust or the like. And glam rock has to be the one genre where style actually matters EliF 23:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the "glam" label doesn't work for them; it's been used a lot by lazy journalists but is more indicative of the band's "look" at various times than of the music. At best, they're glam-inspired but no more glam per se than Marilyn Manson is glam just because Mechanical Animals was glam-inspired. I wouldn't call them Britpop either as they really weren't drawing from the same influences (some of which were glam) as a lot of solidly Britpop bands were (Oasis, Blur, Suede, Elastica), weren't part of that whole resurgence in young Brit patriotism, and are only a "British" band in the sense of residing and recording there (ex-drummer Hewitt was the only born and raised national). Keeping in mind their obvious and often-stated influences of Sonic Youth, Pixies, etc, "alternative" and "indie" seem to be the only really solid genre choices to use for them. Rachel Summers (talk) 00:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I will put glam as their category because they have been labled Glam rock in previous years by the media and even David Bowie (i need to find the article) anyway sure they may not be like Twiggy but nonetheless Brian's image is Androgynous more so in their early years. There is proof —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juerx (talk • contribs) 07:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They are not glam, though the confusion on this is understandable--several lazy journalists have tagged them as 'glam' due to their cameos in the film Velvet Goldmine, but the band themselves have challenged and dismissed this label many times. As much as I (and the band) like and respect David Bowie, his acquaintance with them was a long time ago and on a somewhat limited basis, and anyway he's not the final arbiter of a band's genre. I'm not sure if you're referring to rock bassist Twiggy Ramirez or model Twiggy, but in any case "glam rock" as a genre is about how the _music_ sounds, not just how the performers are dressed.


 * Here's some press from their official site (bold text = my emphasis):


 * http://placeboworld.co.uk/archive/withoutcosmetics.htm: Molko, again with Dnmais, remembers the Sudoeste, what was behind the new record and puts an end to the glam tag. "It was a very interesting experience, we made a lot of friends and I liked the film, but there are people that, because they're lazy, started to call us a glam rock band. For me, glam rock is Gary Glitter. It's uni-dimensional. We were always more influenced by late punk. That kind of punk that was getting into the art school languages. Patti Smith, Television and later the Sonic Youth," Molko explains. The tag, however, survived and it bothers Placebo.


 * http://placeboworld.co.uk/archive/lam.htm: "We like showbiz and we like flamboyance and we like glamour -- we're not huge fans of glam rock, so we make the delineation between them, but that's by the by." Rachel Summers (talk) 17:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Placebo is Post-Punk Revival, it's already listed under the P-P R bands, and Molko's genre list includes it. Post-Punk Revival is newer bands that are influenced by Post-Punk bands like The Cure and Joy Division.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.252.85 (talk) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest Trip-hop, Downtempo, Electronica and Dub because of their sound is similar to Sneaker Pimps. Someone could even mention Progressive Rock. 178.1.245.151 (talk) 18:09, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

A placebo is not a drug
Rather than a placebo being a drug that doesn't work, a placebo may or may not work, but without being a drug.

The Placebo Effect is something rather different indeed, someone look it up and correct it. Good frames won&#39;t save bad paintings. 19:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Fair use criteria
The use of images not in compliance with our fair-use criteria or our policy on nonfree content is not appropriate, and the images have been removed. Please do not restore them. — M o e   ε  01:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is also the images used on singles pages as a navigation aid, which is against the same policy, which need removing. Balthazar  (T 19:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That was a ball ache, they've been removed now. Balthazar  (T 20:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added fair use rationales to all the covers for the singles. Balthazar  (T 20:31, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Awards
Could someone please put up a list of awards that placebo have been nominated for and have won, these seem to be on every bands page but this one. i have searched endlessly for a website that gives this information but can't find one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.227.231.16 (talk) 10:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Linkin Park's Projekt Revolution
In the trivia section it says: "They are currently the only European-comprised band to be on Linkin Park's Projekt Revolution."

Placebo are an English alternative rock band formed in London in 1994???
How can they be english? When the lead singer is from Belgium and the bassist is from Sweden??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimbosupernova (talk • contribs) 10:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

--> HIM is on there as well and they are from Finland, so I guess this should be changed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.142.92.169 (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, Jimbosupernova--it's a common misconception that the members themselves are English collectively because of their having formed in England, and spread by lazy journalists. Will fix. Rachel Summers (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The lead singer is half English, the drummer is English and the band was formed in England. With such a diverse national basis, it's easy to see why people call them English, it is the predominant factor even if it isn't entirely accurate. You could also argue that someone is the nationality of their birth, ergo a band is the nationality of its birth, this band being born in England. Tony2Times (talk) 03:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * First off, the lead singer is half-Scottish, and drummer Steve Hewitt--the only band member to be born and raised in England--is no longer with the band. As Jimbosupernova has pointed out, the bassist is Swedish. It makes more sense to refer to them as 'European' with such diverse nationalities. Also, someone is not automatically the nation of their birth--singer Molko was born in Belgium (not the United Kingdom--he didn't even live there until college) because that's where his parents were living at the time, and it's not clear whether he's even retained any Belgian citizenship. Finally, the band themselves have challenged being labelled a British/English band and have referred to themselves as European. Rachel Summers (talk) 08:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

On a recent Facebook post about their December 2009 gig at the London O2, they refer to themselves as 'coming home'? Violentbob (talk) 06:01, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Avoid un-official external links
There is a tendency to add fan sites to external links; please keep in mind Wikipedia's policies on inappropriate external link addition and spamming noted in External links, particularly the sections on:


 * Links normally to be avoided (criteria 4, 7, 11, and 12 are particularly notable as they essentially refer to and define many fan sites/communities)


 * Advertising and conflicts of interest (especially if one maintains the linked fan site/community and/or is a member of the linked fan site/community)


 * External link spamming

It's a common enough error, and one I think we've all done early on simply because we were eager to contribute while unaware of linking protocol. :] But it's problematic as it places personal site promotion over Wikipedia's goals and policies regarding appropriate presentation of data. Rachel Summers (talk) 06:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what's wrong with that. I mean it's done by people that like the group so i don't think it's offensive in any way. If there was an "Anti-Placebo" page i'd understand it would be deleted. But when fans only put addresses on where to meet other fans, I don't think it could be seen as bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.251.154.191 (talk) 11:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a linkfarm or fan-advertising site. Again, please read the provided information above which details why such advertising and promotion of non-official sites is not allowed. Please be aware that continued revisions that violate Wikipedia policy will be brought to the attention of administrators. Rachel Summers (talk) 13:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hotel Persona
Anyone well-versed fan care to make a Hotel Persona article? Or an article for En Las Nubes? Thanks. StevePrutz (talk) 03:25, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm actually working on a page for the band now--currently hunting up proof of notability. If no one already has the page up when I'm done, I'll submit it; if there's already a page up, I'll just add anything extra that I have. ^_^ Do you know if there's previously been an attempt to put a page up for the band? Rachel Summers (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I think you're it. I would look for references from Spanish websites. StevePrutz (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Mission
I think this section should be removed - as far as I know, Placebo don't have a "mission" as such. Some of the content could be integrated into other sections. Alexdude1991 (talk) 02:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I have a bias because I'm the one that wrote it, but look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lxop360sc0, around 1:14. They clearly state their intent, i.e. their mission. The name of the section has since been changed, anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.69.232 (talk) 04:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes
Thanks for correcting some mistakes I left in. I don't agree with your way of a discography section (neither does this). And popular culture references should not be in a band's main article (unless it's notable, for example physical appearances in popular culture - not just their music in the background). I made sure that everything that was mentioned, is now included in the song (or album) articles, so the information is not lost.--GraafGeorge (talk) 13:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, that only specifies what a discography should include. However, WikiProject Discographies/style seems to agree with you. Though I think that the information was worth keeping, I don't plan to change it back. 24.7.69.232 (talk) 01:29, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Influences
A glam version of nirvana...? Can someone clarify why they would be considered this or cite a source? 131.247.244.191 (talk) 17:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I checked the source at the end of the paragraph and it says that in there (http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/placebo/artist.jhtml#bio)--Dark Charles (talk) 06:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

they dont sound anything like Nirvana....I have always told people I consider them basically Muse on heroin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.1.230.190 (talk) 04:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sexual orientation
"The band have gained some measure of notoriety for the sexualities of its members (Olsdal is homosexual and Molko is bisexual)". References to 'notorious homosexuals' etc belong in the 1950s. Surely in this day and age bands are not notorious because one or more of their members aren't heterosexual?Vauxhall1964 (talk) 16:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

What that guy said. Is there anyone out their who cares if some guy in a rock band is gay? That bit seems totally unnecessary and kinda creepy. 98.197.160.186 (talk) 20:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Trigger Happy Hands
There is no mention of their most recent song "Trigger Happy Hands" in the article. Lachlanusername (talk) 20:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of iTunes Live: London Festival '09 (Placebo album)
Please discuss the proposed deletion of this article here. This is the second time it's been nominated as people didn't comment on it the last time. Lachlan Foley (talk) 05:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

genre
well, i think putting just alt rock in their genre thing is a bit, idk, well yea theyre an alt rock band but theyve also done all pop punk in their music and electronic rock, i think these genres should be added in violetcries


 * Do you have reliable sources that label the overall band as those genres and not just singular songs or albums? We cannot just go off of WP:OR.  STATic  message me!  16:42, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Psychology Textbook in Sources?
The following is listed in the Sources section: Psychology Study Guide: Neuropsychology, Sensory Systems, Perception, Learning and Memory, Thinking, Language, Intelligence, Development, Personality, Mind, Social & Abnormal Psychology, Psychoactive Drugs (Mobi Study Guides)

Unless I'm missing something, this was probably meant to go in the Wikipedia article about the placebo effect, not the band Placebo. 84.75.9.162 (talk) 13:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC) (lKj)