Talk:Planet B/GA1

GA Review
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Hey, I'm going to try and review this following the rules for GA reviews at Good Article criteria. I'll leave comments on my review as I go along, feel free to repond to my comments under each one and remember to sign each response. Rudy 23:50, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

At a glance

 * After a quick overview the article doesn't seem to fall into "quick-fail" criteria. Rudy 00:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Coverage

 * Unfortunately I think there is an issue here straight away, the main body of text contains only two sections apart from the episodes list. I've had a look at other GAs in this scope such as Nebulous and The Museum of Curiosity both of which have at least three. I sympathise that these programmes have been running longer and therefore are easier to include information about, particularly Nebulous but I think you should at least try and include a section on Production which is a common feature of almost all GA articles related to television/radio programmes. It doesn't have to be long, The Museum of Curiosity's Production section is only five lines but having it adds a lot to the article. It might be prudent to leave it at this until it is resolved and then continue the review but I think there is merit in carrying on so I will. Also I don't really have anything else to do and I'm in my flow now :). Rudy 00:30, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Structure

 * Normally a section such as Reception should go at the end of an article and the episode list to go along with the plot but with the episode list being so large it might be a bit disruptive to the flow of the article to have it in the middle so the structure is probably best as it is.
 * The structure really does suffer from the fact that 80% of the article is about the plot of the programme. Having a Production section in there will really help and maybe another section too. Cast or awards sections are common or anything that is relevant that might help beef it up. What do you think? Rudy 00:58, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Prose

 * Prose seems ok, one or two things came up when I did a spell check but overall the article is neutral and maintains real-world perspective. There are a few typos and a few sentences that could be phrased better, I'll flag them as I go through each section separately. Rudy 01:29, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Plot
The plot section looks too detailed and could do with a trim. This could also just be because it looks so large compared to the rest of the article so I'll reconsider when another section is in the main body. I'll look out for anything that could possibly be left out, remember the episode list also talks about the plot so there might be things we move to the individual episode descriptions. Rudy 01:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph 1

 * Fine

Paragraph 2

 * Line 1 - Try to keep the same tense. You have "Lioba committed suicide" and then in the next sentence "John downloads himself". The rest of the article seems to carry on in the same tense as the second sentence so maybe change the first line to "Lioba commits suicide"
 * Line 1 - The first paragraph of the plot section refers to Lioba as she is in the "real world" of the story. She then commits suicide in the "real world" of the story and from then on the rest of the story refers to what is going on within the game. Is this correct? Maybe emphasise this point to make it clear. The last "real world" action of story line seems to be the suicide of Lioba, so after this sentence comment on the fact that the rest of the story takes place within the game. Rudy 02:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph 3

 * Fine

Paragraph 4

 * The second sentence here is a bit long, try making it into two separate ones or simply cut off the end bit ~"after learning she is to lead the rogues to freedom...". It isn't really needed, knowing her mission is enough.
 * Sentence in line 4 - the second part of this sentence isn't needed ~"as they use emotions to become more human" it confuses things and you explain it anyway in the episode description.
 * Line 5 - Typo, should be "when he meets the colder..."
 * Last sentence is confusing, should be "However, John and Medley manage to teleport to safety before he goes through with it." Rudy 02:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Paragraph 5

 * The second and third sentences are confusing. I've read it a few times and I think I get what your trying to say but it’s a grammatical nightmare to describe properly. You explain it well in the episode description so how about just leaving out these two sentences. Replace it with "It is deemed that she has to be deleted. Before this happens, John..." or something of the sort. Rudy 02:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Reception

 * The quotes are good and provide a good range of sources but the section doesn't flow at all, it stops and starts. Take a look at the Nebulous reviews section at how it keeps the paragraph flowing. Rudy 02:41, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

#1

 * Fine

#2

 * Fine

#3

 * Fine

#4

 * Line 1 - Typo, splender should be splendour.
 * Line 6 - Repetition of "they meet", doesn't sound right. Maybe change it to "Lioba and Cerberus track down the rogues in New Rome where they encounter John and Medley, unfortunately John and Medley teleport away from New Rome just as they meet." or something similar. Rudy 11:13, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

#5

 * Line 1 - typo, should be "end up in".
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

#6

 * Line 2 - Typo, should be "Marshal" (there's only one "l").
 * Line 3 - Is Marshall a person? Or is this another typo of Marshal, in which case it should be "the Marshal".
 * Line 4 - Wait, confusion here. You've introduced character "Steve Childs" as the Marshal and then involve Marshall without mentioning who he is. So Steve is the Marshal with a stolen daughter, john helps Marshall, to be betrayed by Steve and then rescued by Steve... This needs sorting out. Rudy 11:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

#7

 * Fine

#8

 * Line 7 - Typo, should be "deleting".
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

#9

 * The beginning of the second sentence here doesn't make sense.
 * Line 3 - Should be "he" instead of "her".
 * Line 5 - "finally meet what he thinks is Lioba."
 * Line 5 - "Medley is suspected of being a witch." Rudy 11:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅Done Rudy 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

#10

 * Fine Rudy 11:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Links

 * Links used where needed, no over usage.

Production

 * Good, I like it. Line 2, the beginning of the quote, "a real character trapped in a sci-fi...." World? Story? Something missing here but should be fixed easy so i won't wait for the change.

Lead

 * Not sure I like this too much... I leave looking at the Lead until last because in many ways its the most important part of the article. The problem here is that having a short description of the plot in the Lead (the second paragraph), means we get the same thing in the Plot with just a bit more detail and then the same thing in the episode list with just a bit more detail. I'm going to sound like a broken record but again look at the lead from Nebulous. You should only have a brief overview of the basic story line, not a shortened down version of the Plot. So for example: "Planet B follows the journey of John Armstrong through the virtual world of a futuristic game. In an effort to find his girlfriend he becomes entangled in an array of strange scenarios, teleporting from each adventure to the next." You know, make it enticing, not just the same thing that you're going to tell the reader in the next section of the article.
 * Para2, ln8 - typo Chris Pavlo not Chirs.
 * ✅Done Rudy 13:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Images

 * Fine Rudy 02:04, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Changes made
I've made all the changes you recommended. I've added a reception section, which consists of two paragraphs, and made the spelling corrections. You say that reference 2 (The Twitter reference) doesn't work. I seem to be able to few the post, however I am following him. Is that the problem? ISD (talk) 12:27, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't bother too much with the reference, it's a minor point, try and sort out the Lead and I'll pass it. The article is good, a few things needed sorted out, but nothing major. I know I go into things in a detailed way which can be annoying but I think the article will be better for it. I hope you're all right with the suggestions I made about the Production section and the Lead. Anyway, your dedication for the article is very evident and you've done a good job. I'll be back tomorrow to hopefully pass it. Rudy 02:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've made the changes with the lead and added some extra information too (such as it being broadcast as part of BBC Radio's sci-fi season). I appreciate all the recommendations you've made such as the production section and the lead. Sometimes when people do ask me to make changes it can get annoying, especially when it is something really anal in an article I've nominated to be featured - you know, you've think everything is perfect and then someone points out you've used the wrong "There". However, you're changes have been much more useful. Thanks. ISD (talk) 07:20, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * One other point regarding the production quote, "a real character trapped in a sci-fi." This is actually what was said. You can heard it here, in interview number two, about half-way through. ISD (talk) 07:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * That's fine, no problem. Rudy 13:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Verdict
PASSED Rudy 13:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)