Talk:Planetary objects proposed in religion, astrology, ufology and pseudoscience/um

delete
For the April 2004 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/UMMO. Result: delete

For the November 2004 relisting of the deletion debate see Votes for deletion/Ummo. Result: keep

It's a UFO cult, but is that enough reason to delete it? If the concern is NPOV, then maybe edit instead of delete. Carter 18:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Check my edit comments, the article history, and then Votes for deletion/Ummo and Archived_delete_debates/Jan_to_Apr_2004. - [[User:KeithTyler|Keith D. Tyler  [ flame ]  ]] 18:41, Nov 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was trying to do that and it got speedy deleted while I was trying to look up the old debate.Carter 18:56, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Does this purported "esoteric society" have a name? Or do people just say, "Hi, I'm a member of an esoteric society, and I got this letter."? &mdash; B.Bryant 10:15, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

'Much accurate scientific knowledge has been given'
From the text:

Much accurate scientific knowledge has been given in many Ummo letters letters, some of which was unknown or very specialized at the time the Ummo letters were published, which could perhaps lead to the real authors. For example:


 * red shift variation (shift towards the red segment of the E.M. spectrum according to the speed and direction of the object in relation to the observer) is not constant but is a non-sinusoidal periodic function.
 * Discovery of 86 pairs of krypton atoms at the "end" of DNA strands in all living beings.
 * Abrupt temperature variations in the center of toroidal nebulae (from -270°C to -273,14°C) and that the plane of polarization of the spectrum line D emitted by sodium is polarized by an angle of 0.8 radians (without another polarization for another wavelength).
 * Frequency of the activation impulse of nerve centres located in the coroidal ventro-lateral plexus of 10368 Hz.
 * Discovery on Mars of simple unicellular and pluricellular plant-cell based organisms.
 * The water contained in the cytoplasm and the cell nucleus can "memorise" electromagnetic radiation corresponding to a wavelength of 21,106 cm. (Approx. 1,421 MHz)

Uuuh... have I missed something, or have plants been found on Mars & water can remember EM radiation? How many of these claims are actually true and how many are claims Ummoites say are waiting to be discovered?


 * There are a lot of discussions about the ummite's scientific claims. A good article about Ummo should list these : verified, unverified and wrong, as well as previously known or not. I'm trying to find some good references for that, but it is difficult : people either go crazy about all of it is true or juste let go, saying it is bullshit. Kromsson (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Peña Claims It Is All A Hoax
Here http://inexplicata.blogspot.com/2006/11/ummo-at-bay-jose-luis-jordan-pea.html we have a purported interview with Peña in which he claims that the whole thing is a hoax. Hi There 14:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * See also . The thing is that UMMO seems to have developed a life of its own - as well understood hoax it would make sense as a cover for other activity from the political to the sinister. Which might mean a number of the explanations are true - it could be a hoax used as a cover for distributing socialist litereature for example. (Emperor 16:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC))

Fortean Times link
The Fortean Times link is broken as the site moved. As there are COI I can't update the link but if anyone wants to do it (as it is currently broken) the new link is (Emperor 00:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC))

lost
Section on Lost removed. There is as yet no confirmation of a reference to Ummo within the show Lost, only speculation by fans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.224.116 (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Are the Daughters of Ummo real?
Or is that Fortean Times article itself a joke? Mporter (talk) 12:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

soap box
I have deleted this part "Another group, which claims a more scientific approach to the question of whether Ummo is a hoax or not, has set up a website in which one can find the materials on which is based the Ummo story, and some analysis of this documentation (ummo-sciences.org). One person of this group claims to have understood the fundamentals of the language of UMMO, which is present in the texts in the form of what we would call words or sometimes expressions . He contends that the structure of their language is inherently different from the structure of any language on Earth, and has published a book on the subject," they are using wikipedia as a soapbox. Alinkinthefuture (talk) 12:22, 1 June 2009 (UTC)