Talk:Plants vs. Zombies (video game)/Archive 1

Good article on game's music.
for a future development section. --M ASEM (t) 16:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Why does Laura Shigihara redirect to this page? Excusesofpuppets. 03/02/2011 (3rd Feb). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.96.84.33 (talk) 19:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Because her work on music is most notable in this game. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 20:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

No longer. It is now an separate article. ColderPalace1925 (talk) 10:28, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Platforms
I made a minor update to the article. At the beginning where it is stated what platforms the game is available for, iPhone OS and iPod touch were listed as separate platforms. This is unnecessary because iPod touch runs iPhone OS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.1.116 (talk) 04:21, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Gameplay
The gameplay featured in plants vs zombies is a example of a tower defence game. In the game you are required to keep a swarming wave of zombies from attacking your house and eating your brain by planting various types of plants ( hence the title " plants vs zombies ") that have specific abilitys to stop the zombies from invading yout house. Examples of these plants are Sunflower, Peashooter, Doom-shroom, Wall-nut, Kernel-pult, Hypno-shroom and Cob Cannon.

Review score section
@ New Age Retro Hippie

I don't know what your problem is, but your reasoning makes no sense of course. No sources? What are the websites mentioned?

And what's your fit with this game? Why are you not complaining about it at Halo_3, Metroid_Prime, The_Sims_3, Killzone_2, Black_(video_game), Peggle etc. etc. etc. (you get the point).

This is a generally used template on Wikipedia, so it has just as much reason to be here as on any other webpage. If you have a fit with the template, take it up somewhere on Wikipedia, don't attack this page specifically.

~cheers GameLegend (talk) 13:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "It's used here" is never an argument to use something everywhere. It serves no purpose other than to regurgitate information that does little to help readers understand the subject. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 15:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

B-class Assessment
1) The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations where necessary.
 * Mostly Pass, although the gameplay section could use an additional citation or two using ref-names to make the referencing totally clear.

2) The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.
 * ✅Pass.

3) The article has a defined structure.
 * Fail, the lead section requires expansion.

4) The article is reasonably well-written.
 * ✅Pass, although in order to gain higher ratings than B-class, the large blocks of content under Gameplay and Development will need breaking up into sub-parts if possible.

5) The article contains supporting materials where appropriate.
 * ✅Pass.

6) The article presents its content in an appropriately accessible way.
 * Mostly Pass, a few terms such as hardcore gamer could be confusing to non-gamer readers. The development section specifically would benefit from a slight re-write with non-gamers in mind.

Hope this assessment helps, feel free to poke me on my talk page with comments and questions. --Taelus (talk) 10:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Article structure
I rearranged a bit the article structure, mainly defining subsections and moving sections into "Development"... take a look at the revision :) (I didn't touch the lead section since I had no time to add new content, but it may be expanded a little as suggested in the preceding assessment) --WikiKiwi (talk) 02:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

“HD” Moniker
When I first heard of the iPad having better, HD graphics, I looked around to see what it looked like. However, to me, the iPad version looks like the PC (and presumably Mac) version, so I am guessing that by “HD”, they just mean it is better than the iPhone version, not the PC version. Is this correct? It would be nice if there was a specific reference/comparison to make the HD label clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Synetech (talk • contribs) 05:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * When the iPad came out, since the store is shared between all iOS devices, app developer started to label iPad-versions of their apps "xxx HD" to differentiate them from the iPhone version... it's kind of a "platform specific" labeling and it's not related to particularly High Definition content, but rather to the fact that the iPad screen is bigger than the iPhone's (and that's not not specific to PopCap, but it's a common terminology in the App Store ;) --Wiki Kiwi (askme) 06:07, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Changing Importance to mid
The importance criteria guide includes commercial success and recognition in culture. It lists Ratchet & Clank as an example. R&C top Facebook group has 10K members. P&Z Facebook group has 900K... mid importance is justified.  •  Maurog   •  13:56, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * We need to let the VG project reassess the importance; that's not something that any editor can immediately do. --M ASEM (t) 14:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, by all means start the process running then :) You might want to add this information to the Importance Scale Help page as well, so that other people know the correct protocol.  •  Maurog   •  05:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

External links, PvZ Wiki
About this revision: it's a noob question, but why the PvZ Wiki link got removed? Which rule is it breaking? --Wiki Kiwi (askme) 22:55, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:ELNO specifically between points 11 and 12. As best as I can tell, the PvZ wikia page has no special authority on the topic (compared to Memory Alpha or Wookiepedia, the typical examples used for this concept), so we should not include it. --M ASEM  (t) 13:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks a lot for the info! In this very specific case btw I would like to point out pt.12 of the WP:ELNO, which reads "...except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors". While the PvZ Wiki may not be the largest community on the Internet (as the game isn't indeed), it's a very comprehensive guide, very detailed and well-written, almost anything about the game can be find in it. I'm really not going crazy for this, but in my opinion it may have the required quality level to be linked in the article (much more than many Official websites out there :P). --Wiki Kiwi (askme) 14:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Generally "substantial history" implies several years and numerous editors contributing. PVZ Wiki seems to be a year + change old, and appears to have a dozen editors at most (strictly going off a spt-check).  That's really not substantial for purposes of that EL line. --M ASEM  (t) 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

PvZ in WoW: Cataclysm
PvZ was adapted into World of Warcraft's new expansion, Cataclysm, as "Peacebloom vs Ghouls". A non-combat pet earned from an achievement on the mini-game is the Singing Sunflower, voiced by Laura Shigihara, the singer on the PvZ video. Source: http://wow.joystiq.com/2010/09/20/singing-sunflower-companion-pet-voiced-by-laura-shigihara/ Source: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1979-Tier-11-Mini-Preview-Ghouls-vs-Peacebloom-Blue-PostsSolitha (talk) 05:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Already in the article. --M ASEM (t) 05:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Its not in the article that Laura Shigihara sings the voice. In fact she needs an article on her own. --IceHunter (talk) 21:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It's stated she recorded new music for WOW, so this would include her own voice as she did with PvZ. --M ASEM (t) 21:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

iPhone game of the year
Apple featured PvsZ as iPhone Game of the Year 2010, could someone add the info? I'm quite in a rush :) http://www.macrumors.com/2010/12/09/itunes-rewind-highlights-the-best-of-2010/ --Wiki Kiwi (askme) 17:02, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Plants vs. Zombies Original Soundtrack
I would like to point out that there is a soundtrack for PvZ. Shigihara's Wordpress blog post Bandcamp link General AUS (talk) 08:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Awards
It was nominated for Best PC Game by the Spike Video Game Awards. This is pretty important, i think. --91.96.14.174 (talk) 06:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Lua?
This game is listed under the category of "Lua-scripted video games". What does Lua have to do with this game? --Karjam (talk) 09:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I, therefore, decided to attempt to remove it from the category. If there's anything wrong with this, or I've made a mistake (I'm a beginner), please tell me. Karjam (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Going for GA
I love the game, and aim to make Plants vs. Zombies a GA. You guys have do excellent work, and I would like to include you as co-nominators in GA review. --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I see 2 issues to fix for a start:
 * Replace VG Reviews with a standard infobox, as I know at least 2 sources that are WP:V Reliable Sources, but not shown in VG Reviews. And I'll add citations, as I'm a glutton for WP:V  Smiley.svg  --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * In "Development", Fan's material is clearly GAMEGUIDE and must be removed from the articles text - but include it in "Exteral links", where it will help users. We have enough citations already to support a good of the game's behaviour. --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm working it in a sandbox, so that messy intermediate changes don't show in the article. When I hope it's in OK but will space for improvements, I'll ask you to comment at the sandbox's Talk page. --Philcha (talk) 12:48, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Shoudn't there be a page for pvza?
Shoudn't there be a page for plants vs zombies adventures? (pvza).i would make one but i don't know how to create a page.plus i think you have to be autoconfimed anyways to make a page and i'm not autoconfimed. Wintermelon43 (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Slot machine
Regarding this, Spielo does not have a Wikipedia article showing its notability and the addition is sourced to what is essentially a press release. There is nothing to show the product's noteworthiness. -- Neil N  talk to me  02:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree. There would be something to add if the slot machine producer was notable to start, but without notability of them, this reads as promo (even if the intentions are not that of the editor) and trivial to add. If a third-party source notes this, that may also be reason to include. --M ASEM (t) 02:47, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * WP:UNDUE coverage of trivium that no one cares about except the producer of the item. WP:SPS the sourcing is only appropriate for content that is not unduly self serving in an article about the company, neither of which applies here. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  11:42, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Your interpretation of WP:SPS is bogus. It says Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities. It says "usually". Not "only". Whether Spielo International is a redlink is neither here nor there, as Wikipedia's coverage of the casino gaming industry is abysmal—we don't have an article on Multimedia Games, a NASDAQ listed slot vendor, and Gemaco was only created this year. I could write an article on Spielo if I really wanted to, buuuuuut, I don't want to, so... —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 06:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You missed the qualifiers like "...the material is neither unduly self-serving..." For any popular franchises there are usually lots of licensees making everything from lunch boxes to caps. We're looking for independent coverage as we don't list stuff that has been simply slapped with a recognizable name. -- Neil N  talk to me  18:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with NeilN. This isn't the place for an indiscriminate list of product spin-offs. The article's primary focus is the game itself. Trivial details like this look out of place, and there is no justification as to why casino slot machines should be mentioned over the hundreds, if not thousands, of other products/merchandise with the PvZ name. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Two things: it's not generally considered "unduly self-serving" to use a reference by the creator of a thing to support a fact about that thing. New Super Mario Bros. contains multiple references published by Nintendo, and that's a featured article. (Presumably if this violated WP:SPS the article wouldn't have passed the FA process.) As for why it's relevant...there's a big difference between mere memorabilia like a hat or a keychain and a slot machine, given that the latter is essentially a multimedia video game spinoff in its own right. (The slot machine uses graphics, sound, and game mechanics similar to that of the original game.) It also illustrates that Plants vs. Zombies is considered a well-known enough game that someone thinks a slot machine version of it would draw in customers. I would agree that a full-blown article on this slot machine title would be overdoing it, but frankly, I consider the level of opposition against a one sentence mention of the machine, as well as what appears to be the near-universal misunderstanding of what WP:SPS is attempting to accomplish, to be rather unbelievable. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We have a non-notable company talking about a product that only they have written about. The only evidence this machine thus exists is from the company that has claimed to built it. That's nowhere near sufficient to meet WP:V's requirements for inclusion. This is exactly what SPS is designed to protect against. --M ASEM  (t) 22:15, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, just because it doesn't have a Wikipedia article doesn't mean it's not notable. It just means nobody has bothered to write an article yet. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I found this instead, that, 1) doesn't look like a presser reprint, and 2) notes that GTech is Spielo's owner, and we do have an article on GTech, so that gets rid of any COI issues. --M ASEM  (t) 22:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Genre is also Action, Adventure
I think the genre is also action, adventure because in the game killing zombies is action and venturing forth in the game is an adventure. But User:Ferret has been arguing about the genre and says I am wrong. But I don't want to argue so I will provide a reliable source. Gameroffun (talk) 01:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Please lists any sources you have here. Understand that a single source from a directory type listing isn't really sufficient. The game's designers have constantly referred to it as a tower defense game. Your use of genres is relying on the most basic definition of the words "action" and "adventure" (You don't really "venture forth" anywhere in PvZ) -- ferret (talk) 01:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Which is why I wanted you to list sources here first. A game store is not what Wikipedia views as a reliable source. -- ferret (talk) 01:52, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Look, I do want to argue about this but I have already prooven that the game is action, arcade. Lets keep it as it is and get over it. Gameroffun (talk) 02:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because one store front lists is as such doesn't make it so. Storefronts are not reliable sources for game genres. The game also readily fails the basic common sense tests of being an "action" or a "adventure" game - it is a tower defense, a well-known casual example of one, and thus stays there. --M ASEM (t) 04:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, "adventure game" does not mean games where you go on adventures - the term means "Colossal Cave Adventure-like game". --IDVtalk 04:56, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * , please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's guidelines. Claims are based upon reliable sources. You're just adding your own opinion. Please stop, or you might get blocked. --Soetermans. T / C 11:59, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * , I don't appreciate being called an idiot, when I (and others too) are trying to communicate with you in a constructive manner. If you don't want to play nice, Wikipedia might not be the place for you. Now, there aren't any "facts" to face, we're asking you to come up with sources. --Soetermans. T / C 12:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I am really sorry for what I said User:Soetermans please forgive me. I was really angry that time. I will be nice. And could you please tell me what reliable source wikipedia acepts? Thank you for removing my rude comment. Regards, Gameroffun (talk) 22:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The reliable source guidelines are explained at WP:RS. Essentially sources with reputation for fact checking, accuracy and editorial oversight . -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  22:42, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Apology accepted. The Red Pen of Doom is right, you'll find all the reliable sources you'll need. --Soetermans. T / C 18:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Spam
I removed spammy links added by a new user (who added similar links to dozens of other articles as well) and warned the user. While the info may be valid, the pattern of adding link after link to the same webpage suggests that the motive for adding the info has more to do with driving traffic and less to do with building an encyclopedia. If anyone wants the same info (Google play and Apple app store downloads of this game) those figures can be obtained elsewhere. Etamni &#124; &#9993; &#124; ✓ 09:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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Fixed this page up
OK, so I noticed that the grammar was wrong and I fixed dat up — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrEden179 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Plants vs. Zombies 3 Article
The game may be new, but an article could be created.

B-class reassessment
I have recently done a source check on Plants vs. Zombies. Earlier this month, I set up a to-do list of things that could be improved upon. I don't think this article is B-class. It is actually C-class. Let's look at what the B-class criteria says:

1. The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations.

2. The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies.

3. The article has a defined structure.

4. The article is reasonably well-written.

5. The article contains supporting materials where appropriate.

6. The article presents its content in an appropriately understandable way.

Here is my assessment against the criteria:

1. Failed - The article does have a lot of citations. But there is a lot of citation needed tags and two-three failed verification tags. The gameplay section doesn't even have any sources.

2. Failed - Where is the release section. There wouldn't need to be citations about the various versions and their release dates in the infobox if there was a release section. Also, the gameplay, the critical reception section, and the sequels and spin-offs section could be expanded upon.

3. Failed - Misuse of the legacy section. It is just a bunch of pop-culture references from various media to Plants vs. Zombies. The point of a legacy section is to describe the video game's impact on the series, the genre, or the video game industry, not to list various pop-culture references to Plants vs. Zombies. Plus, there already was a pop-culture reference sub-section in the development section, which even then shouldn't be part in the article at all as per WP:GAMECRUFT, at least not part of the development section. The lead needs to be rewritten.

4. Unknown - Prose was never my strong point. Someone may have to look that over for me.

5. Pass - The box art and gameplay are used as primary means at identifying the game. The infobox and the review box are used appropriately. The picture of the lottery card is used when talking about the lottery card in the legacy section, though the legacy section may need to be removed.

6. Pass - A casual reader could look at the article and understand what it is saying.

Verdict - Failed, this article is C-class, not B-class. Lazman321 (talk) 17:38, 22 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Update: I have since dealt with all these problems and more. It has now been reassessed as B-class and is on its way to being GA-class. Lazman321 (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Zomboni
Can somebody include Zamboni in the cultural references? I don't know how to properly insert it. Thank you. Ja 1207 (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

That information has already been added, however I did not go. --186.20.237.222 (talk) 18:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Plants vs. Zombies (series)
There is no article on wikipedia for the PVZ series [ Super Mario, Metroid, Halo (franchise) are some examples of what I'm talking about.]

George Fan
Is there any way we can separate this article from George fan so it doesnt redirect? He deserves his own wikipedia page and I think it's time we made that happen Gamerdudesteel (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The word "deserves" used to describe creating articles is almost always the wrong way to go. You need to read WP:N and see if he meets the notability criteria. -- ferret (talk) 15:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For what it’s worth, I think there's a good chance he does meet the GNG. He has received media attention for P&~Z obviously (1, 2), but for other things too (3, 4, 5). That was just a 2-sec Google; there will likely be enough interviews and such to make a page on him. I'm not suggesting anyone do it; just that it could be done. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 04:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)