Talk:Plate glass university

Glass plate univ.
A glass plate is a plate made of glass, plate-glass is glass made in thin sheets originally by spinning into disks. Surely the term is Plate-glass University? The implicateion is that the buildings have lots of plate-glass (cf Red Brick University) rather than that the members of the university eat of glass plates (rather than say silver) Billlion 22:26, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

VfD
This article was listed for deletion; the result was to keep. See Votes for deletion/Glass plate university for a record of the votes and discussion. Postdlf 05:06, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Move
My impression from comments on the VfD is that it was generally felt that this page would be better at Plate-glass university. Any objections? TSP 10:11, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. I've done so - moved it to Plate Glass University add added redirects all over the place.  A search for glass plate university on Google reveals only Wikipedia whereas a search for plate glass university reveals links elsewhere such as [].  --Mintchocicecream 17:17, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur. Plate glass university is to be preferred. I have modified the capitalisation in the article to be consistent with that preference. Dystopos 22:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Moved
I moved this from Glass Plate University to Plate Glass University because Plate Glass is the only term found outside Wikipedia on a Google search suggesting that it is more widely used. A talk page article on the old page has been up since 23 July thus I thought it would be safe to move. However if there are any disagreements, do voice them here. --Mintchocicecream 17:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, you shouldn't have made a cut-and-paste move, destroying the history of the article. Please go to WP:RM and fix this. (Besides, as it is not a proper noun, I assume it should be at Plate-glass university or Plate glass university.) --up+land 18:42, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your comment. I was unaware of the procedures involved in the move and have submitted a comment at WP:RM under Requested_moves.  I also made a request to put it under Plate glass university.  --Mintchocicecream 10:26, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I've reverted the redirect at Glass Plate University and updated the article with your changes as a quick restoration of the history. I'll turn this back into a redirect for the moment until there's a consensus on the page's eventual destination. Timrollpickering 14:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 12:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Keele University
Keele was founded in 1949 long before the Robbins report; it really doesn't belong in this category. See also Radio 4's 'The Idea of a University' 24 August 2006.
 * Ashton was founded in 1895, and rec'd a royal charter to become a university about when Keele did. As I understand the concept, it's not the date of founding or the years in operation, but the public face and the ideas of what constitutes a university education.
 * Ragityman (talk) 04:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

metaphor
the metaphoric significance of the name is mentioned - Ithink this may be worth explicitly explaining and then commenting on how the universities have grown into or out of this metaphor, or simply changed away from it/ or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.186.1.185 (talk) 03:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Please elaborate. Better yet, contribute an edit.  There has been no dissent in 2 years.  I don't anticipate any.
 * Ragityman (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

plate-glass
After all has been said and done, I would still lean more toward hyphenation: "plate-glass," rather than "plate glass." A fine point, certainly, and one which should rightly be decided by native Brits, familiar w/local usage, of which I am not one. Ragityman (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * On the Special Page Votes for deletion/Glass plate university, mentioned above, the determining comment was that of user:SPLASH, and all of his refs were to "plate-glass," rather than "plate glass," universities. The hyphen became lost along the way, somehow.
 * Ragityman (talk) 16:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The originator of the term used "plateglass universities" with no space or hyphen. The Guardian used "plate glass universities" in the column referenced by the main article. The Oxford English dictionary uses "plate glass" for the substance, but says in particular reference to universities:

"   2. Freq. in form plateglass. Of, relating to, or designating the new British universities founded in the 1960s, whose buildings typically incorporate large sheets of plate glass. Cf. RED BRICK adj. 3.

1968 M. BELOFF Plateglass Univ. i. 20 The self-confident and colourful character of the Plateglass universities reflects the spirit of the high Macmillan age. 1968 Economist 1 June 47/1 Of the non-Oxbridge successful candidates, only four came from the new generation of plate-glass universities. 1971 C. DRIVER Exploding Univ. I. iv. 187 Some time ago a Plateglass professor suggested that a new university's potential for innovation fades after about three years. 1973 J. H. M. SCOTT Dons & Students ii. 17 Though the new universities have been dubbed ‘plate-glass’..they have no monopoly of that material. 1988 D. LODGE Nice Work I. ii. 27 She has her sights fixed on higher things than the University of Suffolk, a new ‘plateglass’ university."

Correction: "plate-glass" turns up in two of the sources cited by the OED, but plateglass seems the most common. ThomasL (talk) 16:36, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The OED also has: "DERIVATIVES

plate-glasser n. a student or graduate of one of the new British universities founded in the 1960s.

1968 Economist 1 June 47/1 A man from Aberystwyth got into the Foreign Service, along with two *plate-glassers, one red-brick man, one Dubliner, nine from Oxford and eleven from Cambridge. 1994 Guardian 26 Sept. II. 2/5 Oxbridge man runs the quality papers, occupying most of the major editorial positions, while the women and plate-glassers get stuck on sub-editing desks." ThomasL (talk) 16:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then! I bow to your diligence and your scholarship, sir.  Would have responded sooner, but I think we had an edit conflict.  My remark didn't save and I had to leave for a while.  I guess you've established that we have a third alternative: with a hyphen.  Thanks for your effort.
 * Ragityman (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer to use Google Ngrams as a source (based on books) instead of a Google web search. The hyphenated form is the only one occurring also in the singular form. It clearly dominates during the decades before the other forms were promoted by WP. To my knowledge, the form with two spaces is even wrong in British English. --Rainald62 (talk) 09:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

adwords
are there supposed to be adwords on Wikipedia? is that new thing? the word "universities" tries to link me to a for-profit college. I'm not sure how to undo that link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.236.4.117 (talk) 02:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No there should not be addwords. I've checked in my browser and don't get them. You might have a browser plugin or seem the article via a mirror site.--Salix (talk): 06:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Plate glass or campus?
It seems to me that most of these plate glass universities are also campus universities, but I did not see the term "campus university" used in the article. Vorbee (talk) 17:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This probably should be mentioned somewhere, if it can be worked in. There must be referenced to back this up around the place, although the article on campus university is singularly lacking! Robminchin (talk) 02:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

White Tile or Plate Glass?
Weren't these "White Tile" Universities until recently? [] Just asking. It was the usual term when I struggled through. "The golden age in the UK was the period of rapid growth in the 1960s, with the foundation of the “white-tile” universities of Sussex, Warwick, York, East Anglia and others." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.64.5.245 (talk) 04:15, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * "White tile" was coined (or at least used) by John Osborne in Look Back in Anger in 1956, referring to the then-new post-war universities (contrasted with the redbrick universities). This was before the foundation of the plate glass universities, so can't have been referring to them. According to William Whyte in Redbrick: A Social and Architectural History of Britain's Civic Universities (OUP, 2015, p 106), "It [white tile] was a sobriquet that stuck, becoming ineluctably associated with the old university colleges like Leicester, Southampton, and Hull. An attempt was made to identify the new polytechnics as 'Blackbrick Universities', and in keeping with this theme, it was suggested that the other new universities of the 1960s should be known as 'whitebricks', 'whitestone', or even 'pinktile'. Having dismissed these—and the more accurate 'greenfields'—the writer Michael Beloff hit on 'Plateglass Universities', and the phrase quickly took off." It seems from this that the use in The Guardian is not the standard sense of "white tile" – these fall between the redbrick and the plateglass universities in terms of age. Robminchin (talk) 05:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)