Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 14

SN Systems to develop GNU toolkit?

 * "In addition, in 2005 Sony purchased SN Systems, a former provider of Microsoft Windows-based development tools for a variety of console platforms; including PlayStation 2, GameCube, PSP and Nintendo DS to create additional GNU development tools."

Can anyone find a source for SN developing GNU toolkits. This is important because it suggests the sdk/compiler will be release to the public. Clarification would also be appreciated. I googled it and couldn't find any good results. It doesn't seems too far fetched as the whole standardization of the PS3 suggests that sony is looking at a much more open development policy. Thanks. Kelden 22:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

PSone Emulation
What file format does the PSOne emulation use when it it on the PSP? 68.104.202.237 05:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It is the original ISO, compressed and placed in a ".pbp" file along with icons, manual and more. -themulf

Lack of information about the delays in Europe
In this article there seems to be a lack of information reguarding the delays of the PS3 outside of Japan and America, can someone with knowledge and experience of Wikipedia sort out this please?

Please reduce gossip and conspiracy theories
Very early in the article we read about businessmen and Chinese nationals with no evidence stated. You might want to consider removing it anyway as it isn't particularly professional. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beugnen (talk • contribs) 15:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

BD-ROM failure
I summited proof that PS3 blu-ray drives are failing. it got deleted a week ago. Youtube should have 5+ videos on this issue. It's worth mentioning. Since I'll be be adding it to the article again word for word....don't anyone delete it ok? --renegadeviking 2:27, November 30, 2006 (UTC)


 * I suggest you not attempt to directly edit the PlayStation 3 article until you feel you can comply with WP:NPOV. Sure, the Xbox 360 has a similar section, but it's titled "Xbox 360 technical problems", not "Red Blinking light of Death" (which also doesn't follow WP:MoS). Otherwise, the information you bring is valid; I am not sure about the validity of Dionyseus' statement "We cannot use YouTube", because it is only a link. --gatoatigrado 09:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * just to point out the obvious, your extrapolation that this is the blu ray drive failing instead of some other system error, designated by the red lights near the power button, is complete speculation at this point. please provide more information, as a link to an article. --gatoatigrado 09:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is blatant vandalism. At the end of the article, have a section, where you can put all the technical failures.Mbslrm 02:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What The hell. This is the talk page. Renegadeviking

Corrupted AAC
Image:PS3corruptedaac.jpg Uploaded/copied the aac(s) to the hdd and each play once than got corrupted. Corrupts AACs in firmware 1.0 - 1.3. I think this is a serious problem that == is happening to all new PS3s.== Let's mention it in the article! Not lieing. The real deal! --renegadeviking 0:17, December 11, 2006 (UTC)

I have NO problem. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tome711 (talk • contribs).


 * That is because you're lying. Renegadeviking

US$?
previous discussion is archived .

I am "removing" vat taxes using the linear scalar User:Dpmarshall did for the Nintendo Wii. If this is inaccurate, please change it and tell me why here. Thanks. --gatoatigrado 08:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * never mind. the rounding is a bit too much; repeating it will probably cause more error. useful pages. . . unfortunately wikipedia does not have a reference page. --gatoatigrado 08:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * apparent vat's from what I can find. Mexico 0.15, Eurozone 0.15, United Kingdom 0.17, Switzerland 0.076, Norway 0.24, Denmark 0.25, Sweden 0.25, Finland 0.22, Australia 0.1, New Zealand 0.125. The results vary a small amount from the Wii page, but I suspect they calculated the US equivalent from the exact currency conversion, then rounded both numbers. please correct any inaccuracies. --gatoatigrado 08:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * UK: 0.175, actually.

I don't know VAT that well, someone tell me if this is a good assumption. It gives about the same value as price / vat though (I think only one value changed when rounding to the nearest $10).

"vat" here is actually "1 + vat".
 * retail price = retailer purchase price * vat + retailer profit
 * consumer price (not shown) = retailer purchase price * vat + retailer profit * vat
 * adjusted retail price (goal) = retailer purchase price + retailer profit
 * = (retail price - retailer profit) / vat + retailer profit

the formula I am using in a spreadsheet is =(B2-10)/(1+$E2)+10. I think the retail profit will be around $10, based on ars technica's revealing of Wii and Xbox 360 prices, and their logical assumption with its expensive hardware, the PlayStation 3 will be a "pull" marketing strategy. for rounding =ROUND(G2/10, 0) * 10. $10 is an easier increment to read. --gatoatigrado 09:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * 'By Americans for Americans'? 'Typical knee-jerk foriegner reactions'?  I think that is a slightly racist view to take.  And by the way, did you notice the resemblance between 'England' and 'English'?  LighthouseJ, I think you want to careful with your opinions before my British knee-jerk reactions get triggered.
 * Hear hear. What a 'jerk' LighthouseJ was. Hippo X 21:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

As for the conversions being the USD, I think it makes sense as many of the world's largest businesses are based in the currency. OnionHead 19:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

PS3 image
previous discussion is archived .

Although I sincerely despise Mr Voluntarist's ad hominem attacks, I think the point about the detail in the other image is good. I cropped the image, and then enhanced it a bit. I uploaded it to my website. Feel free to upload it to Wikipedia if you think either one is better. I do like the colors and extreme black in the current image. . . --gatoatigrado 02:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)


 * um, anyone? --gatoatigrado 20:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Those images are not as good - makes it look like chrome not black - too much reflection. Keep current? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.250.178 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps asking sony themselves and linking to wikipedia for images would be a good idea, almost all of these images have a mass amount of glare and unlegible signature name. A picture like the xbox360 one should be posted because of the background and clearness of light. Something, maybe like this image from sonys official presentation : http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/default.html Or an image from playb3yond ?

The silver PS3, much maligned but nobody could replace it with a copyright free image, now people are playing the console will we still be stuck with a prototype image that everyone wanted to get rid of?. Anyone got a digital camera and a PS3, long shot I know.--Notagoodname 01:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC) FyiFoff 23:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The current image could certainly use a bit of unsharpmask. 82.229.207.75 13:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

FyiFoff 21:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)I have a PS3, see my livejournal account, Fyifoff, It's rather hard to take a pic of it. But if you guys are still looking for a wiki PS3 picture, I'll do my best!FyiFoff 21:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 colors
Is there any information about when the silver and chrome PS3 will be out? And did the 100,000 units in Japan all come in black as well? FyiFoff FyiFoff 23:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC) The silver abd chrome trim is only for the 60gb

I belive the silver and chrome are not coming to the us for a while longerSerge222 16:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

watts
i read on the internet that the ps3 consumes 380 watts.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=356 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs).
 * yes, it does. --Dreaded Walrus 01:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * under load. --24.7.86.143 02:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * No that's just the PSU, not necessarily how much the hardware draws even at maximum load. The XBox 360 PSU says 5 amps at a max of 127V meaning it could draw over 600 watts, but the 360 reportedly only uses 160 watts. Therefore you cannot look at the 3 amps at a max of 127V on the PS3 to determine how much power the device consumes even at peak. And besides the voltage range is from 100-127V. So in Japan that equates to 300 (3A*100V) watts max. All you can say is the hardware may draw up to 300 watts but in reality it's bound to be anywhere between 100 & 200W and that's when it is running full tilt. Wait for someone to measure the power draw and cite the reference because that is the only way you will know what the thing consumes. --MagicMoose 13:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If you take the Xbox 360's 500W (100V×5A=500W) divided by its actual consumption of 160W and assume the same maximum-realistic ratio for the PS3's maximum of 300W (100V×3A=300W), you get just 96W actual consumption for the PS3 (300÷3.125=96). Of course, assuming the same maximum-realistic ratio as the 360 isn't very accurate, but it's the closest estimate available at the moment. –Wulf 21:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That is just absurd. Using that method is no more accurate than picking a random number between zero and 300.  You cannot make the assumption that Sony will use the same "ratio" as Microsoft.  Until it is actually measured, the best you can say (to quote from before) is "the hardware may draw up to 300 watts" and nothing more. Andrew 03:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If an exact wattage must be estimated, that seems to be the only way. However, I agree, it is most likely very inaccurate. I'm just giving a rough estimate, which suggests the PS3 will be towards the low end of the 0-300W range, at around 100W (which sounds about right irrelevant of my math). I never represented it as anything other than a rough estimate, so I'm not sure exactly why you jumped at me like that. –Wulf 05:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

PS3 Linux
Could some one please add a link to pslinux.org ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.25.134.169 (talk • contribs).


 * I don't see much reason to. -- mattb


 * lol. --gatoatigrado 16:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyone know if Ubuntu will be availible for use on the PS3? I know Sony is coming up with it's own distro for the PS3 but that would kick ass if you could get Ubuntu on a PS3


 * At the time Ubuntu (i'm not sure about the light version) uses gnome, which isn't the most efficient in terms of memory usage. it can probably be configured (I don't use ubuntu) and as the compiler tools for the cell are free, I think it's possible in the future. --gatoatigrado 05:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Xubuntu uses XFCE which uses less ram than gnome, PS3 will probably run efficiently on that. 69.86.123.132 22:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

More info on this can be found at the following links.

http://www.powerdeveloper.org/playstation.php https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ps3-compatibility http://overlays.gentoo.org/dev/lu_zero/timeline Ceros 01:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

On Nov 11th, to coinside with the game console relese, Sony released two ADDON CDs that included sufficent technical information and open source programs to allow Linux enthusiasts to create and install there own Linux distribution for the PS3. A detailed discriprion of how to install the Fedora Core 5 distribution for the PPC64 using the ADDON CDs was included. The CD images were first available worldwide from linux.org.uk (http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/Sony-PS3/).

What Browser is the PS3 using?
Ok, to AnyOne that has a PS3 and has the web browser working on it, Please go to a site using the built-in web browser that tells the User Agent string of the browser! Please, I want to know if Sony used an existing browser as a base or what exactly is reported. I have a page (Hopefully my server can handle the traffic) that will tell most of the information, and I can check the rest in my apache access logs. Report all the information here. --Jdm64 01:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC) ILOVEJAMILLE
 * It's likely that, like the PSP browser, it's entirely bespoke. It'd be good if somebody could verify this but with less than 100,000 PS3s out there I doubt that many people will notice your request for the time being. Sockatume 01:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's probably true, but I put it out there none the less. Hopefully somebody with a PS3 will see this. --Jdm64 01:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your best bet is to email or post a link in the comments section of a gadget site like Gizmodo which has a console. They might oblige your request. Sockatume 02:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I sent a email to Gizmodo, but no reply. Maybe someone will do it when it comes out in the U.S. --Jdm64 03:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I found someone that has a PS3 and got the information about the built in web browser. The user agent string is "Mozilla/5.0 (PLAYSTATION 3; 1.00)" and some other information about it is: http/1.1; identity encoding; keep-alive; en. Also, javascript is enabled. --Jdm64 23:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * That means its Gecko-based (i.e. uses the same rendering engine as Firefox). I'm surprised it's so short, as Firefox's is "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0".


 * If the person you found can run all the tests at BrowserSpy, it would be very helpful in determining just what the heck it is, as the UA string on its own isn't very conclusive in this case.


 * Wulf 22:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a late version of Gecko. What else do you need to know? -- mattb

Use the Browser Mirror from Central Ops. It should give you all the information you need. The URL is http://centralops.net/asp/co/BrowserMirror.vbs.asp. Ceros 01:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It also has a flash plugin that works (poorly) with youtube. someone w/ editing priv's should add that and citation-needed 18.243.6.38 05:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

That it has 'Mozilla' at the beginning of the UA string doesn't mean much - IE and Opera's UA's also start 'Mozilla'. Also Gecko browsers usually expressly say Gecko in the UA, with the build date and engine version: ...rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010... It might be provable if someone could assemble some test pages that only a Gecko browser would render correctly (maybe XUL?), and then see if the PS3 browser could render them.


 * While you're at it, take the acid 2 test. Ceros 01:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid you are wrong, Operas UA at least in version 9 is:Opera/9.00 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en). There is no mention of Mozilla, unless you set Opera to identify itself as FF, though previous versions did ID themselves as either FF or IE as default. Golden Dragoon 13:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

ProductWiki Link
I would like to add a link to ProductWiki's Playstation 3 coverage to the External Links, is this ok?
 * "ProductWiki provides a new kind of online shopping experience". No, sorry. -- Steel 16:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ProductWiki is actually a collaborative product information resource. Nothing is sold on the site. All the information is open content as well. Please go to the site and spend some time to judge it properly and determine if a link is appropriate. Thank you.
 * Also, you can refer to the entry about ProductWiki on Wikipedia for more information.
 * I'll let someone else decide on this. I'm still erring on the side of no. -- Steel 17:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Should I place a request for comments? I'm not really sure what the policy or guidelines for this kind of thing are.
 * it's an advertising based site, and any first party interest posting the link on Wikipedia would definitiely be considered WP:SPAM. Please read WP:EL and provide references from that document why you think your link is legitimate. Previous "find a ps3" links were not only fraudulant and false, but uninformative and were removed. —The preceding comment was left intentionally anonymous and unsigned.
 * ProductWiki falls in line with points 3 and 4 in "What should be linked to". As for "What normally should be avoided" ProductWiki might fall under point 12, but the guidelines of what is stable or not is ambiguous. Really, the main point of contention, which isn't covered in the policy, is the size of the site to be linked to. There's a certain level of authority that sites like IGN and Gamespot have on the web, that small sites do not. If you start allowing smaller sites in the external links, you open the door for a lot of sites (potentially). So it's definitely a balancing act. On the other hand is the size of the site really a determining feature of the quality of the information contained within? It's easy to argue that there is a large amount of useful information about the Playstation 3 on ProductWiki, I guess the real question is: when will it be enough? Omarismail 23:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Do people realise that GameSpy, IGN, FilePlanet are all the same company? IGN gets paid for saying great things about a product so their reviews are quite biased. GameSpy provides an online gaming network for developers. It's then no wonder that FilePlanet tempts you to download the game. Beugnen 15:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I don't think there's much unique relevant information. Take a look at the detail articles here, such as Cell microprocessor. It's okay if the main article is somewhat of an overview article. Your screenname aside, I would have guessed your affiliation to the site. Wikipedia's guidelines generally work against self-promotion, or in this case, the promotion of a website. I think that the do not include points 1, 2, and 3 are valid as well. --gatoatigrado 10:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Point 2 is the strongest reason by far. A reliable source cannot be a tertiary source, and that's what ProductWiki mainly is, just like Wipipedia. So that settles that. -- Omarismail 19:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * okay, bring up some useful information that this article is lacking. here's one example of what I don't like on your site: "...you will not be able to download files from the browser onto the PS3's hard-drive, which sucks..." &mdash; it's unprofessional, annoying, and incorrect. This was fixed with the 1.11 system update as you can read at . the thing I find most annoying is that there are all of these sprawling lists and irrelevant commentary; just compare a paragraph in this article with a paragraph in yours. --gatoatigrado 10:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Even though this issue is now closed, I'd stil like to respond to this comment. It's a wiki, so if there's something that's wrong with the article, just change it :) -- Omarismail 19:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for admitting it is not within our guidelines. I'm sorry I don't exactly have intention to fix productwiki, but perhaps my comments will help you create a better page. Good luck, but I hope you don't put too much time into a website - the competition is rather difficult, and you could end up wasting a lot of time. --gatoatigrado 16:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Too many main headings
What are the most important things about a console?

It's hardware, it's software, etc

According to this article it seems like the most important things to a console are its hardware, software the company known as eBay and muggings.

The fact that many people were aware of the economics behind supply and demand and selling something for a loss and that a ton of consoles were put on eBay is a description on the launch, which is a topic actually important to the console. Same with violence on launch. It's a property of the launch, not the most important aspect of the PS3. Also the company is eBay not Ebay. Esper256 17:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Self-Taken Photos
Have read several requests above for a self-taken photo of it.. Easier said than done.. This console is so reflective of all its surroundings.. Placed it on a blue towel alone with no cords or such. Free for use.. I still have the originals if anyone is interested. These are cropped down for size reasons.

Pictures can be seen here: Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Cjpluta 05:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

To get rid of the nasty reflections, try to illuminate the scene with indirect lighting and/or use a photographic filter. Note how the image from Flickr shines a bright light down onto a white surface, thus lighting the PS3 from below. You could also try increasing the gain on your CCD if your camera has that option. --DavidHOzAu 11:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes and don't crop them so much.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.102.36.82 (talk • contribs).

You should provide full resolution photos, Wikipedia can generate smaller thumbnails of your pictures without modifying the file. --Jack Zhang 02:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

FyiFoff 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)upread, pictures are very hard to takeFyiFoff 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

FyiFoff 15:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)go to http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/Gallery for pictures of the ps3FyiFoff 15:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How does that help us? The point to having a Wikipedian provide a self-taken photo is based on the assumption that they would offer it with a license that is at least as permissive as a GFDL. We can't use promotional images anymore, because that would violate fair use criterium #1. Dancter 16:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, why do you put signatures at the beginning and end of your comments? It makes them less readable. Dancter 16:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Edit? again...
I was reading over the PSP connect section and i found this..

On the main PS3 article, it states..

"The PlayStation Portable can connect with the PS3 in many ways, including game connectivity, such as Formula One 06 shown at E3 2006 which uses the PSP as a rear-view mirror....."

When you click on remote-play link, it shows this.

"So far Sony Computer Entertainment has only announced one title that will work together with Remote Play. Gran Turismo HD has been shown at E3 with the PlayStation Portable acting in-game as a rear view mirror to assist the player in the game."

Im not sure which one is correct, either Gran Turismo HD or Formula one.

Drew, 11/22/2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.184.209.88 (talk • contribs).

Running Windows XP on Playstation 3
Someone has just compiled QEMU to run Windows XP on Playstation 3. Indeed, the video released on Google Video shows how fast this emulator can emulate the x86 architecture somehow fast enough to run the japanese version of Windows XP. However, it´s seems that using QMEU to run Windows programs on a Playstation 3 can´t be more heavy than old or simple games, or using software like Microsoft Office.85.240.135.51 19:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a link? Ceros 20:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC) Never mind I found it. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8800244920606286092&q=qemu+ps3&hl=en Ceros 20:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not really exciting enough to add to the article though. It's a Linux app, running completely as expected (on Linux). Mac users have been running Windows in emulation for years. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, now I understand why this piece of s%@" will not support Vista. Damn, it runs very slow the Windows XP!!!!! Can someone upload that video on Youtube please?
 * What are you ranting about? The PS3 is a piece of shit because Vista is designed for x86 processors and it uses a PPC-based one? Of course XP runs slowly; it's emulating the CPU. Just use Linux, chill out, etc. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * lol, yeah. I don't know why you would want to use Microsoft Vista (ick). The PlayStation 3 alleviates Linux's typical weakness - not many games. --gatoatigrado 04:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you're still having to boot Linux separately, so it's not really any different in that regard from dual-booting Windows and Linux. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 04:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * True, except the boot time to the game is probably less. yeah, uh, you don't need to link dual booting. --gatoatigrado 10:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please explain the significance and relevance of hacks and mods for an encly' article for an original retail product? Please remove this section, it does not belong Beugnen 15:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

HDCP
Suggestion: ADd to the article that the HDMI output of the PS3 is only capable with HDCP-enabled TVs and monitors. I tried using an HDMI to DVI cable to connect to my computer monitor; I found out later my monitor wasn't HDCP-enabled. An important fact to note, I believe. SpikeX2 07:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This should only apply to HDCP content, like Blu-Ray, surely? They've not gone and applied it to games as well have they? Sockatume 16:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I haven't seen anything indicating that the PS3 is HDCP compliant (or that it is not). Furthermore, in my opinion, it would seem that since the PS3 is capable of running other operating systems (i.e. Linux with a HD video ripping program?) it may not be eligible for HDCP, per the standard's strict guidelines.  The games, surely, would have no need to make use of HDCP because Digital Rights Management is not an issue for the video/audio output of a game (the game itself, maybe, but not simply the video/audio that HDCP protects)  A definitive, reliable source would be helpful. Andrew 04:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with this suggestion, because SpikeX2 is right. I was loading up the demo for NBA 07 (downloadable from the PlayStation Store) and the start screen displayed a "Full HD 1080p" tagline under the logo. The fine print below said that 1080p output was only possible over HDMI with an HDCP-enabled display — this obviously means that the PS3 is HDCP-capable. —BrOnXbOmBr21 06:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * For TVs, this is really a non-issue as virtually all HDMI-equipped TVs have HDCP support. However, I've added that monitors have to be HDCP compliant, as I think it's a pretty serious issue - in the UK you can get DVI-equipped monitors for about £120, but the cheapest monitors with DVI and HDCP tend to run at well over £200. --DaveJB 12:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No 1080p games
I think it should be noted that no games currently released, and none currently in production, will play in 1080p. So far the only 1080p is a tech demo of Gran Turismo HD and I think one or two more tech demos... It is said that they cannot get a good framerate at that resolution. With PS3 boasting 1080p it should be noted that only blu-ray movies will play in 1080p, not games. Thesaddestday 04:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There are indeed 1080p games out there, anyone that think otherwise has been spending too much time in the Xbox forums, and actually believes Microsoft spin. Blast Factor is 1080p, NBA '07 is also in 1080p.  Granted not many (3 or 4), but to say there are no 1080p games is false.. --195.75.83.25 09:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thus far! XBox 360's games didn't start out at top quality either.  (I believe "Gears of War" is the first game to really push the 360's graphics).  Andrew 04:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

^^^pointless.--- Cry On 18:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * According to ps3.ign.com/articles/747/747413p1.html, Roughly half of the PlayStation 3's launch software doesn't support the 1080p resolution that Sony has been so highly touting; In other words, half the launch titles support it. So, your statement can't be included in the article unless you find an article as new as this one (2006-11-22) stating none of the games can be played at 1080p. -- ReyBrujo 04:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

There are very few HDTVs that are 1080p, and all the ones that are don't have HDMI inputs that can handle 1080p. I have a friend who is a TV repairman for Best Buy and he said that either you have to replace the HDMI inputs on current 1080p TVs, most of which are 1080i, or wait until Feburary when the first TVs come out with 1080p HDMIs. Plus when I talk to some people I get the impression that they think just because the PS3 is 1080p they think that their 720p or 1080i TV will have 1080p resolution. IG-2000 05:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oops ReyBrujo you are right. I inverted a date of an article so my mistake...  also, IG, you're actually wrong.  Yes it's true a vast majority of 1080p sets out can't accept 1080p over HDMI, but there are products out that can.  The new JVC 1080p sets and I believe the new Sony SXRD sets can accept 1080p over HDMI.  Thesaddestday 10:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * About 6 months ago I bought a Samsung LN-S4051D 40" LCD HDTV. At that link, you'll see the TV should accept 1080 (interlaced and progressive) signals on each of the 2 HDMI inputs.  I've never ran this TV in either 1080 mode yet for lack of a high-def source but the site clearly says to me I can expect to run 1080p through HDMI if I had a PS3 right now.  From what you've said, I've come to two conclusions: either your friend is wrong or the manufacturer, Samsung is misrepresenting this product.  I'm tending to think this product is on the level and your argument is incorrect.  Do you have any support to prove your position besides second-handle knowledge or heresay? LighthouseJ 01:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Err, from what I've seen several TVs don't support 1080p through component. I have yet to see a 1080p TV that works through component but not HDMI. Regardless, AFAIK the PS3 supports both varieties of cables, so what does it matter? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not all TV's with HDMI can accept 1080p signals through HDMI, that is why there are a lot of HDTV's that need to use component or VGA for 1080p. It has to do with the version of HDMI, and with the latest updates in the technology HDMI is turning into the main connection for 1080p...  As far as other connections, analog for 1080p works but isn't as impressive as digital.  Thesaddestday 05:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

My buddy at Best Buy said that some of the 1080p TVs out now will only give you a 1080i image through the HDMI, he stated that there are a few true 1080p HDMI inputs out now. He said last week he replace 3 1080i HDMI inputs to 1080p inputs on 2 Sony TVs and 1 Panasonic. He also said that, to him any way, he doesn't see any real improvement in the image from 1080i to 1080p anyway. The big problem will be with the low end HDTVs not having the 1080p inputs. IG-2000 21:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

HD Loader for PS3
Hi, i have a question Do you think that a HD Loader will be launched for the PS3? Of coufse, i´m aware that we would need a higher capacity hard disk (maybe 1TB, just like the ones that Dell is using), do you think it would be possible?
 * Please post questions not directly related to the article to Reference Desk, in whatever section is relevant. To the question: everything is cracked eventually. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's related enough to be posted here. Is that supposed to be a blu ray ripping thing, or a hard drive based boot loader? As to the 1 terabyte question, I presume you can simply add a USB hub and as many hard drives as you want. You could cat them in jbod raid or something like that. regular raid with only usb probably wouldn't work though. You can also buy 1tb esata hardware concatenated drives, although it would have to be outside the system connected to an empty drive bay with a sata cable. --gatoatigrado 10:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The HD Loader is a program used in the PS2 and The Xbox to store the game software in a Hard disk in order to have a faster loading time and protect the game discs, as well as to give a longer lifetime to the reading laser. Of course, this program wasn´t authorized by Sony or Microsoft. So, i think that maybe we´ll be able to see one of these things for the PS3... What do you think about that gatoatigrado?

order of pricing
I am a bit uncomfortable with the order of country in the pricing box. Japanese is number one, that is fine, but why United Kingdom is number 2. We should sort it out according to the release date.--w_tanoto 22:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * does it matter? I guess that seems logical. --gatoatigrado 22:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Let me guess, you're a Yank? Sorry this is not a DVD region. Beugnen 15:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

1080i output issues
Apparently, there is an issue where the 1080i output is broken. Apparently, if the PS3 detects the TV is not capable of a 720p output downrezzes to a 480p output, disregarding 1080i functionality. Here's a link: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/15/720p-ps3-games-downscale-on-older-hd-sets/. Sony has acknowledged the issue and originally said they are working on a firmware patch. They have since retracted this statement: http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10807/ Should this be added in? --Tomwchow 00:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * already discussed above, I think. it's unlikely a 1080i television would be incapable of a 720p input. It can be added in, if it hasn't changed. I haven't been around lately so they might have patched it in 1.11. --gatoatigrado 20:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

actually it is quite likely. a number of older HDTV's have the problem, which is why it's causing such a stir.--Tomwchow 14:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * okay, I will add it, but I don't know about mentioning the cannot be patched thing. I don't think it's accurate to say this problem technically cannot be fixed with a firmware update, as I don't see any evidence for that. The second link says that they are looking into the situation, so they could possibly fix it, or could possibly not. do you think it would be fine to simply say, "The PlayStation 3 downscales 720p content to 480p on television sets which only support the 1080i high definition resolution"? Should this be in "games" or "hardware"? Are blu-ray movies affected as well? Should this be "currently, ..."? --gatoatigrado 18:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that seems fair since we really don't know the outcome yet. --Tomwchow 18:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 used by scientists and helpful gamers to cure Alzheimer's!
A recent study by the Folding@Home distributed computing project is harnessing the power of the Cell processor found in the PS3 to study protein folding.

More info can be found here.

72.201.34.105 08:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This has already been discussed, and the curing aspect is an overoptimistic view. Please see the archive, which was on the page when you posted. Then again, there were 86 sections so I'm not surprised you didn't see it. --gatoatigrado 20:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

article status
hopefully my recent edits aren't too controversial. I think the article would look nicer with some pictures for some of the system software things. I would like to have a peer review of it sometime. Thanks. --gatoatigrado 22:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah the article is nice at this point. One thing I noted in the shop it's everything ressembles PSP: the save system XMB as middleware, the game previews when disc is inserted (background + mini video), the icons on the save management. Looks like a big PSP, even the webbrowser. --Ragnarok Addict 22:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * um, a psp with the linux functionality, blu ray drive, and more processor capability minus the portability aspect. in other words I don't know what your point is...I guess the media bar and network are similar. --gatoatigrado 01:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

A question - how do games, etc. work when the console is set to boot from another operating system? can the boot loader start the cross media bar if the user chooses? maybe valid to include. Also, does the firmware run at a higher ring than the operating system? If so, does it still consume 64mb and 1 spu? --gatoatigrado 04:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

wonderful, the poster with the picture put it in the article. it looks nice. I think a playstation network picture would be nice. I don't know about the psp connectivity thing; it seems like that is still incomplete, to be finished with system updates. oh well. --gatoatigrado 07:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * This article should be included on the backwards compatibility category for obvious reasons. Best, --164.107.92.120 16:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * right, Category:Backward compatible video game consoles added. --gatoatigrado 18:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The article as it looks right now is very good in my opinion. I think the aspects of the article that were more akin to a news site than an article have been removed, the sections are only the prominent ones and the information feels unbiased. Hats off to Gatoatigrado. Esper256 20:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * okay, thanks. err...wasn't only me, in fact most of what i do is just organization. --gatoatigrado 07:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

peer review

 * If you peer review the article, please put comments here. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 18:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Namco needs to sell 500,000 copies to make profit
Very interesting article at Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8 They need to sell 500,000 copies of every released game to make money of the title. And since they give an approximate amount of money the graphics cost, and compare it with Wii, it should be interesting to add to the article. -- ReyBrujo 18:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Or we could add it to the Wii article. Or my preference: add it to one of the history of videogaming articles. Sockatume 18:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah the history of video gaming seems more appropriate. There are many references to the high production cost, etc. I think there was a gametrailers conference and they said some games had a US$4e7 budget; 500 000 titles implies a US$3e7 budget. --gatoatigrado 18:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It both amazes and terrifies me that we're now using scientific notation for game budgets. Sockatume 18:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Why would that be relevant to the wii? PS3 games are significantly more expensive to produce than wii games, aren't they? Just as PSP games are more expensive to create than DS games? (Not saying it's noteworthy for the PS3 article, mind you; just asking) Bladestorm 18:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Pricing
The prices in dollars are wrong for at least the euro and the pound. if it's $425 in the UK then that should be nearly $850, not $680. Plus the euro price is given as $660, when I figure it should be almost $800. My laptop is out of battery though, so I can't fix it :-) 81.179.173.146 22:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please comment in Talk:PlayStation_3. I removed the VAT taxes, and another user adjusted some of my mistakes. Please point out where the current metrics fall short. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 04:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

where is an article
where is the sectiont that describes the massive returns of this system due to major system faluire, P.S. someone vandilized this article.

its true i sent mine in--Serge222 16:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no known massive returns. sorry. you need to provide a link. --gatoatigrado 04:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I didnt say massive my just was gay and retarded like a hungarian prostitue--Serge222 03:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Brazilian Price
PS3 is now beeing sold in Brazil, it come bundled with a game, only the basic version is available and for the small price of 4.000 dollars... wich equals to 8.000 reais...

http://www.americanas.com.br/prod/576944/Catalogo


 * but this is not from an official launch, right? You can't add it if it's not official price from sony. Further info: Indonesian stores sell it (Japanese 60GB) for IDR 10000000 (<£600), but because these are not official, then I can't add it.BTW, please sign your post

http://www.videogamesindonesia.com/forum/main.html --w_tanoto 22:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

weasel words
Maybe a list of the weasely bits would be useful for editors.

.83.100.253.51 14:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Weasel Words
I skimmed this article and found numerous weasel words. For example, the first one I found was in the Release Data and Pricing section in the third paragraph. The first sentence says "...criticism from analysts and developers." Who are these analysts and developers? Looking at the source, it's only one analyst from one organization who shares his view. The source for the developers links to an article for the president of Ubisoft, not a developer. Ceros 04:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It currently says "The high launch price of the PS3 has been subjected to much criticism from analysts[32] and developers[33], especially in Denmark" which I find hilarious - it needs rewriting obviously.
 * Any more??83.100.253.51 18:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well here is some more.


 * 1) Release data and pricing
 * 2) report has been speculated - speculation
 * 3) analysts have voiced concerns - who?


 * 1) Marketing
 * 2) Three rather unorthodox - opinion
 * 3) for the most part - opinion


 * 'observation' actually - a testable and repeatable result. "...For the most part the day was fine until it rained in the afternoon." Beugnen 15:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Game Development
 * 2) many developers have noted - who?


 * I think that's it. I might have missed a few however. Basically, any statement that leaves who, what, when, and where unanswered is probably a weasal word. WP:AWT explains this better. Also, someone removed the criticism section that was in the article earlier. That section had a lot of weasel words plus it had no citations. Ceros 04:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In actual research academia, "weasel words" are great ways to avoid overstated claims. --gatoatigrado 04:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I very much doubt that. 'weasel wording' in a scientific paper are untestable - untestable theories are known as mythology. Also, please remove the footnote and support re IGN from Gaming Development. IGN get paid for what they say so it's no surprise that '..it's easy to develop on the PS3' Beugnen 15:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

1.1, 1.2 "There are real worries about the future of the PlayStation 3 business," said Mitsuhiro Osawa, an analyst with Mizuho Investors Securities in Tokyo. It may be speculation, but it's not Wikipedia's speculation. --gatoatigrado 05:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Rubbish, it is an inline example of 'analysts have concerns...". It is a clear example of making a statement and backing it up with evidence of who said it. Which analyst? - Mitsuhiro Osawa; What concerns? "There are real worries about the future of the PlayStation 3..." Beugnen 15:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

2.1, 2.2 I saw the "unorthodox" and I agree it may be a bit pov. I left it in because I thought it gave a better impression of the material. I guess it can be deleted because the later descriptions are sufficient. --gatoatigrado 05:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

3.1 can find a ref for this for sure. give me a second. It should be clarified to be the massively parallel environment of the Cell microprocessor, not the microprocessor itself. I believe IBM has all of the compiler, etc. so they can program in C; it's the theoretical level things that are difficult. --gatoatigrado 05:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want feedback - in general I agree - and would just cut this stuff out.83.100.253.140 17:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * While I'm here - the first two sentences of the history section :"Sony officially unveiled the PS3 to the public on May 16, 2005 during an E3 conference. Ken Kutaragi made claims regarding numerous input/output connections, which were later dropped.[8]" - second sentence sounds ridiculous in context - there is truth in what is said but it's so badly written it's difficult to assume good faith.

Are you still working on the article - if so I'll come back in a few days and have a really good look at it, otherwise I'll start making a list of my own - looking at it quickly there's a lot of junk in there eg in 'release date and pricing' end of first paragraph "Sony has said that they will take legal action against anyone selling imported consoles to EU consumers" - totally out of place in terms of it's important. Looking further along it just looks like it needs rewriting - for instance in the 'marketing' section, how important is it that sony "..hosted a PlayStation 3 launch party with rap artists Ludacris and D-Nice.." Does the XBox 360 still mention that one of the hobbits from the lord of the rings film played an xbox 360 at the launch (anyone remember that, ) - there's always been too much news in these console articles and not enough attention paid to what is really relevant. I'll come back in a bit to see what you've said. In the meantime - good luck.83.100.253.140 17:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * First, thank you very much for your input. Here's my opinion on things (please don't reply in-line). recent changes. --gatoatigrado 18:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know why the second sentence is so badly written, but I took a stab at minor rewording. Please suggest something.
 * I am going to work on the games section whenever I have time. I don't want to create a prose-list of things, and whoever helps will need to look at all of the games pages, which will be time consuming. If you can peer review it without looking at the games section that would be great. I think it will probably take a long time.
 * Why is the prevention of sales to the EU irrelevant?
 * Agreed about the launch things, deleted. kiosks so common I deleted that as well.

Suggest something like "initially two hdmi and three ethernet outputs were promised...reduce to one of each." or "the initial specifications were reduced in terms of the number of outputs.." can quite think of the best wording.

The prevention of sales to the EU is no totally irrelevant, but I'd give it a low priority as once the PS3 is released in europe any importing that might have happened will become pointless.

Also in "release date and pricing" quote "David Wilson, Head of Public Relations at Sony Computer Entertainment UK, stated that both models will likely be sold in the UK market, but both may not be available at launch.[17] Previously, Sony Computer Entertainment UK Marketing Director Ray Maguire had stated that only the 60 GB version would be available at launch.[27]" I've got the question the importance of including this info - it all depends on how much stuff you want to be in the article. I think though that leading the section with this is wrong - people would want to know the facts first - though not fan cruft it's not essential info.

Game developement section - still an unsourced statement that developing for cell is difficult (it is for an amateur - but...) Also "In addition, in 2005 Sony purchased SN Systems, a former provider of Microsoft Windows-based development tools for a variety of console platforms; including PlayStation 2, GameCube, PSP and Nintendo DS to create additional GNU development tools." - I don't know if this is actually relevant at all - the article doesn't tell me - are they actually involved with the PS3 - it's an assumption that it's relevant?

from the same section "The open standards are specified by the Khronos Group.." what open standards? Not sure about this - does this apply to RSX or Cell or both??? -

again "Sony has considered using IPv6..." ?? Has it or hasn't it.????

System software/Default interface - second paragraph - "Sony has also worked with Stanford University to bring the Folding@home project to the PS3.[66]" - ok this isn't really anything to do with the standard interface so it must be in the wrong place.

Linux - not sure that sony said they would have linux installed - as I remember Ken Kutaragi said that it could be.. I might be wrong here.

Playstation Network quote "The Xfire client is integrated into some games to provide various match-making facilities. Xfire CEO Mike Cassidy clarified: "Xfire is not part of the PlayStation Network Platform."[72]" ok this is true but reading the linked article reveals that this was used on one game "untold legends" - not sure quite why it has been included.

Hardware as far as I know the 2.18Tflops figure was a mistake it's 2.018 (1.8 Tflops rsx+ 218 gflops cell) should we be repeating that. also "Compared to the prototype version, the console has many more ventilation holes, and uses heat pipes" Badly written - suggests the prototype didn't use heat pipes - the prototype was in all probability an empty box. Suggest separating. Also "Rumors about the power consumption, based on the peak capability of the power supply (380 watts), were spread through generally reliable sites such as cnet, which claimed the Cell microprocessor was the culprit (the Cell microprocessor uses approximately 40 watts [9])." - the rumours were what exactly? - I'd expect an accurate figure (or nothing).

Sorry to be such a pain and possibly over critical in some areas.

As it stands the article is interesting to someone obsessed with every detail and minutae about the PS3. It's got too many bits of side information. That said it is an interesting read. In all honesty it's just like an article that has been written 'by a comittee' which is about true. What it needs now is someone to give it overall coherence. The paragraphs are like collections of unrelated sentences about the same topic..

And the references are a mess - too many? and some not in the list at the end (in the Linux section).

Ok that's mostly it. Basically I'm accusing the article of containing fan cruft. Please don't bite my head off.87.102.9.4 20:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, thank you very much. What makes you think I would / could bite your head off? lol. I am a bit busy now; I will try to make the adjustments and find references later today or tomorrow. --gatoatigrado 21:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You might of thought I was being too harsh - it's a difficult article - because of the amount of interest. Good luck. I'll have a look back in a few days. You could ask for more help over at the Reference desk or somewhere similar - someone might be able to help with the missing info or maybe the wording.87.102.32.183 08:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a few suggestions:

"At E3 2005, Sony claimed the PlayStation 3 would have numerous input/output connections, such as dual HDMI and three Ethernet ports, which were later dropped.[9]" could be "The initial specifications included dual HDMI and three Ethernet ports but have since been downgraded to one of each"

cutting quite a bit more here:

"The high launch price of the PS3 has been subjected to much criticism from analysts[32] and developers[33], especially in Denmark, where the converted price is US$720, the highest price for the unit" could be "The high launch price of the PS3 has been subjected to much criticism; in Denmark the converted price is US$720, the highest price for the unit" cutting the mention of analysts and developers - it's no secret that consumers have been criticising the price as well - I don't think this needs citing either. (though I can find stuff on the net with 'normal people' saying stuff like 'it's too much' etc.

or replaced with:

The high launch price of the PS3 has been subjected to much criticism. Sony executive Phil Harrison has defended the price by citing its Blu-ray support and overall value.[34] The production cost is estimated to be US$805.85 for the 20GB model and US$840.35 for the 60GB model. The highest price for the unit is found in Denmark, where the converted price is US$720.

also found this in 'games': "developers at Insomniac use the Blu-ray disc for language data.[citation needed]" - doesn't make any sense as such to me, maybe I haven't unerstood properly.

The article seems quite good - there is a lot of interesting stuff in there. The tables are good as well (work well). 83.100.183.34 15:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

more review
okay i made the edits. . sorry it took a while. --gatoatigrado 18:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't find fault with it except "The high launch price of the PS3 has been subjected to much criticism from analysts[32] and developers[33], especially in Denmark, where the converted price is US$720, the highest price for the unit" which sounds to me like the price is being criticised by danish devolopers and analysts.. Maybe that's the case. Perhaps the Danish critiscism could be left out - technically the denmark criticism might need citing.
 * Well done anyway.87.102.6.143 20:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I got rid of the Danish comment. Sometimes Wikipedia gives you an old version due to caching problems. Make sure you clear your history, or in Firefox press ctrl shift r. --gatoatigrado 21:09, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

okay I think, even if it fails, it would be good to post a FAC sometime. I think it might be getting close. There aren't that many edits anymore. --136.152.208.55 21:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Downloadable Games
Would it be out of place to put a list of the games you can download for the PS3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Einstein the afrodude (talk • contribs)
 * Not at all, in fact using an asterisk or other table element in the List of PlayStation 3 games article would be nice —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gatoatigrado (talk • contribs).

Can we add these game to the Other Majoir title list
Ratchet & Clank PS3 MotorStorm Army of Two Monster Hunter 3 Soul Calibur IV

I'm just asking ?


 * Please do not add anything to the list. Please covert the list to prose. It will be deleted as soon as the prose is complete. --gatoatigrado 18:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

VAT inc. vs Sales Tax excl. - poor comparision of prices.
For the comparision chart, I believe prices should not be adjusted for VAT as this provides an inaccurate portrayal of the cost for comparative purposes to the US as US sales taxes are not included, and indeed could not be included, as due to balkanization each US county has different tax rates (in most areas). The price should be shown before VAT / GST / Sales tax, and this should be noted below. The purpose of this chart is to facilitate comparison, but it does not do so accurately. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.199.240 (talk) 11:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC).


 * No, you're interpreting it wrong, the vat was removed. I will clarify the statement below. I absolutely agree, and other users insisted on including conversions before vat was removed&mdash;it was quite annoying. Fortunately, they left. --gatoatigrado 18:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Submarino is the most respected sales sites in the country, and they only have official prices, they recently received the PS3... http://www.submarino.com.br/homecache/games_browser.aspx?Query=&ProdTypeId=12&CatId=57715&PrevCatId=57718 The simple 20GB version is at R$6.999, wich stands for around U$3.499, while the premium 60GB is at R$7.499 wich is around U$3.769 They don't have any games for sale tho, wich is rather common in here, since the 360, until the official launch a few months ago, spent almost a year beeing sold here with around 15 games only, and the Wii only has one game for sale... Other sites are only selling the PS3 bundled with a game, the 20GB version, and the games aren't beeing sold separate from the system, therefor people will only have one game available for it...

11:40AM 6 december 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.22.45.220 (talk) 13:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Sony has not stated on their website that they have released the console in South America. The console is only officially released in Japan, North America (which might include Mexico), Hong Kong, and Taiwan. It will be released in March in European countries. www.playstation.com
 * The following region is listed in Official PlayStation website:
 * Asia (Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, Other -> PS3 still unreleased there. Korea (?)) HK and Taiwan, PS3 released
 * Australia and New Zealand (PS3 not released yet)
 * Europe (several countries to list, PS3 not released yet)
 * Japan (PS3 is obviously released)
 * North America (USA and Canada, might include Mex
 * There used to be South American site, but it is gone now.
 * And I doubt the PS3 there is official, because of their high prices.
 * Maybe you should ask some powerful member here to create special article on PS3 prices in different region.--w_tanoto 00:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

- Well, if you say official like in the XBOX 360 wich recently had it's launch here, then it obviously isn't, and neither will be, just like the playstation 2 has to be imported, that doesn't mean that it's un-official, and the reason of the high price is due to the taxes, the 360 is "official" here and it's around U$1.500, the wii is also beeing sold for around U$1.200... it may be a crappy country with absurd taxes but it does have officials PS3's... And right, so now that south american site is gone, nobody around here will be able to officialy get one... riiight


 * I don't think too much emphasis should be placed on price anyway; immediately after day one prices will vary dramatically. The only price you can place here is the launch price which holds no long-term relevance. It is not a static attribute of the unit. This article is missing much more important details and needs a drastic layout change. It's very poor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beugnen (talk • contribs) 15:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Downloadable games list added
List of PlayStation downloadable games -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  22:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * please use the second parameter in the main template. thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.169.210 (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

Firmware 1.30
Can we add information that Firmware 1.30 has been released http://jp.playstation.com--w_tanoto 00:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the best place to put it is in the infobox. Have a row for the latest firmware version and update it whenever a new one comes out, kind of like how the latest release of some software is updated. Wine is a good example. Ceros 05:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * good idea. there should be a short mention in default interface as to what the firmware has added. however most of it is minor bug fixes which don't need to be mentioned. the 1080i tv issue should be mentioned when / if they fix it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.169.210 (talk) 06:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
 * Firmware 13.32 is out now. Mbslrm 02:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Separate page for price list
Just want to suggest to create a separate page for PS3 prices around the world, including some unofficial prices. They did it on Wii article. --w_tanoto 00:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * fine, go ahead and do it. --gatoatigrado 01:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * you don't need to ask if you are making non-controversial edits. --gatoatigrado 01:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I can't do it yet. When I got time I will, which probably after new year. I am going to take a picture of XMB from my computer if I can get a PS3 during holiday, and put it up. If anybody started it before myself, the price for Brazil is stated above, while Indonesia is currently priced at IDR 9500000 (approx £535)for 60GB, and 8500000 (approx £400++) for 20GB--w_tanoto 18:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that it would be a great idea to have a different page for release data just like the Wii with there Wii launch page.--User:Bobthebobthetimothy 17:46, 12 December 2006 (GMT)


 * I have made the page for pricing for the Playstation 3. Bobthebobthetimothy 19:56, 13 December 2006 (GMT)
 * Thank you so much for that. I'll try to find it now. Shame that I got a lot of biology essays to finish.--w_tanoto 22:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Peer review
Why hasn't anyone responded to the peer review request? Once an article like this reaches a certain stability, it is important to have a discussion about what aspects could still be improved, which is what the peer review is for. So, please provide your input. jaco ♫ plane 19:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Err, people have provided their input, on the Requests For Peer Review page. Sockatume 19:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did, and an automated peer review bot, but nobody else... jaco ♫ plane  19:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I had a look.. Left my comments above, how about leaving a message on the Wii and XBox 360 pages and on the Reference desk science, language etc pages. Getting someone else to check the quality of writing etc would be a good idea.87.102.37.17 09:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh, yeah, actually an anonymous user gave a lot of feedback (see weasel words section above). so...don't discredit if you don't read this talk page... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gatoatigrado (talk • contribs) 01:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Hard drive
This PlayStation 3 is able to have games up to 200GB, that's almost triple the amount of data that my hard drive can store. I wonder if any games for it are that big...71.34.243.96 00:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Huh?--Nytemunkey 18:01, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * If there WERE games that big, they'd have to be four BD-ROMs long. That's just ridiculously huge. VelvetKevorkian 03:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, where di dyou get thta information? Hbdragon88 01:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Please provide a source--Dm-schmieder 03:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This is theoretically true if it used a four-layer BD-ROM, which are not yet available.

Games table

 * Why not Ninja Gaiden Sigma in action/adventure?
 * GT HD was not cancelled, just post as free downloadable game as prologue and available soon. --Ragnarok Addict 11:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * yes GT HD was cancelled so polyphony could focus on GT 5 i would link the article from gamespot but the school has the site blocked so i'll do it when I get home --.Serge222 14:40, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * NO! It was not cancelled at all. Its becoming a digital download via the Playstation Store.

games table is going to get killed when adequate prose is available. it's really not appropriate; look how much better the xbox games section looks. --gatoatigrado 01:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

yes it will it should be more relavent and might need a seprate page if we did this.Serge222 16:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

First PS3 Firmware update
Article states first update was firmware version 1.10 which isn't really correct. I have a launch title (Genji: Days of the Blade) that ships with version 1.02 on the disc, and requires that update to be installed. Considering the unit ships with 1.00, 1.02 is probably the first update over 1.10 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.143.65.196 (talk) 01:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
 * I thought the first update was 1.01?--w_tanoto 16:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

the more or less skipped 1.01 it seems to me Serge222 16:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems skipped, but the fact that 1.01 ever released, and it is written in history as PS3's first update.--w_tanoto 22:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

UK SRP
The UK SRP for the standard unit needs to be set to £550 GBP which is about $900 USD. Since I am no good at WikiFormatting Someone else needs to add it Robin 13:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * any source?--w_tanoto 16:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Future product for Europe
As this is a future product still waiting for release in Europe and other PAL regions maybe a tag should be added to a section for the benefit of PAL users. Unless wikipedia is sanctioning the import of PS3 consoles which Sony would like us to believe is illegal. RangerOfFire 12:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry I guess I didn't see this, but the product is not future, simply its release in some territories. It should be the same product, more or less. However, I guess there might be some differences, including things fixed by firmware updates. I also heard that the hardware will be revised so PlayStation 1 and 2 games will run only with software emulation. --gatoatigrado 17:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? The PS3 is designed and being mass produced, it's in the f-ing wild.  It's not a future product, it's out, it's here.  I would've been comfortable if the Future tag was removed the instant it went on sale in Japan even though it wasn't available yet in the US (where I live.  Plus, you're reasoning is horribly pathetic.  I'm ashamed for both of us.  LighthouseJ 01:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Sales
Can someone put a combined total of the amount sold? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.68.162 (talk • contribs).
 * Done. Dionyseus 03:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

launch day frenzy
Okay, is there a reason why we took out the Luanch Day frenzy madness paragraph? Seriously, you guys got three days to put it back in, or that's it. I will. Dragong4 17:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why should there be a launch day thing? Thats old news. Plus, everyone knows about it. I don't see at all why its needed. Tome711
 * I agree with dragong4. Although other people might not like it, but I am interested in more details.--w_tanoto 22:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Press
that IGN article didn't really seem all that highly negitive to me. He brought up some negitive aspects, but he also gave some aspects of the system quite a high rating. 68.148.107.31 01:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There should also be note that Cnet.com gave it a 8.8 rating, its the #1 gadget to have and they admitted its the best console. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tome711 (talk • contribs)
 * Provide the url and we'll include it in the article. Dionyseus 03:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The whole press section should be deleted. Those articles add no new information. Look at the other console articles. Do they include single reviewer opinions, or speculation on the quality of opinions? In fact, I think the opinions in the referenced articles are just as irrelevant as the user who said the reviews were negative. Perhaps if there is some way to say the console was badly or well received it is worth including, but I don't think it's that important. However, I will hold off deleting it if someone feels passionately about it. --gatoatigrado 04:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I said when I first reverted his edit (he first titled the section "criticism").   I'd support removing the Press section.  Dionyseus 04:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree it should be removed. tome711 07:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Alas, I feel the code steel hand of defeat. Derek Cormier 07:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

new page for ps3 price and release created
I just want to make you aware that new page has been created for ps3 price and release data.

Playstation 3 release data

Bobthebobthetimothy has created the page, with Indonesian price added and i added prices for Brazil and added table for the price of accessories. This page has currently two unofficial prices, Brazil and Indonesia. If you have more unofficial prices from different countries, please fill that in. For accessories I filled one in for Indonesia: Game, while the other, I haven't heard of their prices. I still left price for the other countries blank.--w_tanoto 23:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, once the page is developed, the prices of the main page can be reduced to just Japan, USA, European Union and United Kingdom, similar to what they did in Xbox and Wii articles.--w_tanoto 23:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agreeDm-schmieder 03:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Murder Charge for Officer Who Shot PS3 Suspect
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/750/750719p1.html ......Yeah, either get the **** out, or we will leave the LAUNCH DAY FRENZY in, alright? You guys got three days to put it back in, or that's it, I will. 71.117.209.109 23:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Good lord, not you again. Your ultimatums are only mildly amusing. -- mattb

oh brother. They dropped the charges anyway, the foreman signed the wrong box http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163060.html Dm-schmieder 03:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hong Kong PlayStation 3 Official Site
As hong kong use both chinese and english, I am putting:

http://asia.playstation.com/hk/ps3/eng/ps3.htm

into the external links for "english language countries--w_tanoto 14:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 Euro delay
The UK and europe and the rest of the PAl region might be left without consoles until September 2007.

Source: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/pal-ps3-delay-rumours-are-speculation-without-foundation-221659.php —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.74.227 (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

launch day frenzy
See Talk:PlayStation 3 and Talk:PlayStation 3 The 'launch day frenzy' section was fun, and now exists in truncated form in 'release date and pricing' - personally I thought it was suitably interesting in it's full form to justify it's inclusion in the article despite it's somewhat trivial nature. This death takes the funny edge off it a lot.

Still would the editors at least consider re-including it as a subsection to the release section.. (To see the original form see [frenzy]83.100.174.70 15:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 technical issues?
I was wondering why the PS3 has no dedicated paragraph for the technical issues it appears to be suffering? Stuff like output issues, backwards compatibility and some failures. The xbox 360 seems to have a whole section dedicated to it. It is because they are not as widespread, yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomwchow (talk • contribs) 20:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC).
 * What citable references are there that deal with these issues? As a comment, what output issues are there (other than the current general lack of support for the 1080p, which is slightly more a tv issue than a ps3 issue)? And the backwards compatibility issues, strictly speaking, aren't really PS3 technical difficulties. Long before the PS3 was released, they said that it'd be compatible with most games, but clarified to say that it'd be compatible with games that followed a very strict set of design guidelines. Many of the best original playstation games broke all the rules to squeeze every last drop of power out of the system, so of course they aren't emulated fantastically. But that isn't a PS3 issue, it's an issue with each of the games. But, what are the "some failures"? Because those could indeed be very notable if you have more info on them? (sorry if this sounded negative; really wasn't meant to) :) Bladestorm 20:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The most notable is probably the HD output issue. http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/21/sony-begrudgingly-promises-fix-for-ps3-720p-output-issues/ This one is on and off again in terms of Sony saying they'll fix it. I tend to disagree that it's a TV issue. I don't see how having an older HDTV which only accepts 720p or 1080i is a fault of the TV.


 * The issue with backwards compatibility is here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs But that's hardly quantifiable evidence.


 * The failures I'm not sure about. I was more asking then anything else. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/18/ps3-is-following-in-360s-footsteps/ is proof of it, but again I don't know how numerous it is.--Tomwchow 20:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, I said "some" not "same" issues. I am fully acknowledging that the problems may not be widespread enough to be notable to report.--Tomwchow 20:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "same" was a typo on my part. :) My head said "some", but my fingers said "same". Stupid fingers. As far as the output issues are concerned, you've found more info on it than I was previously aware of. I suppose it might be worth mentioning. (I still think the backwards compatibility isn't noteworthy though. We knew about this before it was even released) As for the dead PS3, there'd need to be more instances of it for it to be notable. (there are always a few hardware defects with any mass-produced electronics)
 * But, by all means, you should really look into that display issue. It really may be worthwhile. Bladestorm 21:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Sony fixed that in a firmware update. Mbslrm 02:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This is because all of the problems with the PS3 can be corrected with a firmware update, and they are not major problems like the 360 had because the PS3 was not rushed into production like the XBOX360. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.252.73.100 (talk) 16:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC).

Worldwide Sales
I removed the "Worldwide Sales" from the table, but it was reverted back. I did thid because it says:

"Worldwide: 435,007 (as of December 10, 2006) North America: 197,000[4] (as of the end of November 2006) Japan: 238,007[5] (as of December 10, 2006)"

Whilst the North America and Japan sales are correct for there particular dates, this does not mean that the two combined represent the worldwide sales as of December 10th - rather, that figure represents Japanese sales until the 10th, and the American sales to the end of November. It neglects the North American sales until December 10th, and as such, to state that the figure is Worldwide until December 10th is simply not correct. SynergyBlades 22:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, the worldwide figure simply adds up all known sales figures up to a certain date, in this case December 10. We would continually add to the worldwide figure as new verifiable information comes in.  Take a look at the other consoles for examples of how the worldwide figure is maintained.  Dionyseus 23:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's misleading. Adding numbers from different times like that is at best an "at least" assertion, which is significantly weaker than what is provided in the original figures (representations of specifically how many consoles had been sold by a certain time), yet is listed as if it were the same thing. The difference in the other console articles is that the worldwide sales figures in those are directly sourced. Dancter 04:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You absolutely cannot just add the numbers across different dates like that. Simply put, it's misleading at best, and deceptive at worst. The worldwide sales, as of december 10th, are not known. Only the japanese sales are known for that recent a timespan. Bladestorm 07:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 PVR/DVR
Should something about this be included? Because the PS3 via Location Free Player can record video.

Can we link to http://ps3penguins.blogspot.com or http://groups.google.com/group/PS3Penguins? This is a forum (in Google Groups) and a Blog to track Linux on PS3. Primary goal is to track MythTV or similiar OSS setups on the playstation 3. ps3penguin 06:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Six degrees of freedom
What are the controller's six degrees of freedom? Can it detect rotations along all three axis as well as translations, or is it just a marketing misnomer thinking that (e.g.) left and right are two different degrees of freedom? 198.205.33.93 22:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The former. Dancter 22:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The six degrees are-
 * roll
 * pitch
 * yaw
 * vertical movement
 * longitudinal movement (back & fourth)
 * latitudinal mavement (side to side)

Does anyone have information which ones are accelerometer sensors and which are gravitational (or whatever else) sensors? --68.248.195.105 17:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Custom Soundtracks
Anyone knows if the PS3 has the option for game custom soundtracks??


 * I have Madden 07, Resistance, Tony Hawk, and Fight Night, and none of these support this right now. Maybe down the line, I don't see why a game publisher couldn't choose to play these from the hard drive. Cmsjustin 23:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

VGCharts is unusable
It was determined in Talk:List of best-selling computer and video games that VGCharts cannot be used in Wikipedia because it is unverifiable. See the discussion for an explanation on why it is unverifiable. Dionyseus 23:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * In that discussion it states that VGCharts are shipments numbers and unreliable. I suggest we either use these while stating they are unverified shipment numbers, or someone comes up with a better source within the next few days. The current numbers are almost a month behind. A month is not long, but it is most of the PS3's current lifespan. We know from other sources that there are weekly shipments to the US (I can't speak for other countries). Cmsjustin 23:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Singaporean Official Release Date and Price
Quote:

The PlayStation 3 has been getting some really some interesting news in the local media lately, but the ninjas over at GameAxis have just uncovered the 2 most important bits through reliable sources that you should know about the PlayStation 3 in this little red dot island - the console's release date and pricing.

First of all, it's no secret that Singapore will be getting PS3 NTSC/J-coded units, similar to the Hong Kong and Taiwan sets. Now, the news that did surprise us though was that Sony Singapore will be launching the PlayStation 3 here officially in March 2007, given that the PlayStation 2 took more than a year to reach Singapore after its official launch in Japan. But it's worth noting that the gaming landscape in Singapore has changed rather drastically since Microsoft launched the Xbox here in 2002, and the Sony SG folks might have better optimism of the local market here today.

The price of the local PlayStation 3 will also appear to be pegged at S$799 at retail (Update: for the 60GB, thanks for pointing that out Fran), which is a pretty good price point if you asked me. And I'm going to be curious how Microsoft will react to it if this price-tag is confirmed by Sony. I'm also pretty sure that like Hong Kong and Taiwan, buyers here will be required to buy a bundle offer (3 games and an additional controller perhaps). That basically mean you're still likely to have to cough up between S$950-S$1000 in order to get a local PlayStation 3 console here.

Awesome news from our ninjas, but as usual, the above are still to be considered rumors until we get something official from Sony Singapore

END OF QUOTE

Source: Gameaxis

I don't have time and speed to update the articles (PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 3 Release Data). I use dial-up during christmas holiday, and I do't have time to provide you with the proper link to the article, as I jus found this in Indonesian Game forum. --w_tanoto 11:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Overly positive?
Maybe it's just me, but this article seems to be overly positive, and doesn't even mention numerous criticisms of the PS3 including:
 * Sony's ever-changing shipment goals
 * The HD scaling problems with 1080i HDTVs that do not support 720p
 * The difficulty of programming for cell.

Perhaps there should be a criticisms section (properly cited of course)?

Dlong 19:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) We should state what was shipped instead of speculation, and the shortages are mentioned.
 * 2) The Hd scaling is a problem that Sony has stated will be fixed in a firmware release in the future. It only affects a small percentage of people with older HDTV's. Only CRT HDTV's are affected.
 * 3) There have been a dozen or two games released with a few dozen announced, so it's not impossible to program for. The PS2 was "difficult" too at first, and I've read a few articles of developers saying it isn't as hard as everyone is hyping it to be. Being hard to program for and hard to port an existing game to are entirely different concepts.
 * 4) It seems like you are just looking for bad information to put on this page. Please see WP:NPOV. --Cmsjustin 20:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The important one I could see including is the development difficulty, but significant citations are a must. A dedicated criticism section is a probably a bit much, neutrality would be improved if the information is cleverly integrated into other sections. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

M'kay


 * What happened to it? There was one earlier.  There's one for the 360, and there should be one for the Wii. Amish Gramish 03:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how you say the scaling issue only affects older CRT HDTVs. Check out http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/12/6/6196 which discusses how it has issues with any 720p or 1080i TV, not just older CRT HDTVs. Fact is the PS3 does not have a hardware scaler, so in effect if the game hasn't been programmed to support it (which is the case for many games thus far), then it can only display in the one HDTV resolution or downres to 480p. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tomwchow (talk • contribs) 14:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Stop deleting Enchanted Arms!!!
I don't know how many times I have put this back up on the list because it is apparently "not" in production for the PS3. It indeed is, http://ps3.qj.net/A-penchant-for-more-Enchanted-Arms-screenshots/pg/49/aid/76810 is one report that has a bunch of PS3 screenshots, and talks of how the PS3 version has been tweaked. This is a game for the PS3 and many people are waiting for it. If enough people post here saying it shouldn't be listed, it can be deleted off this page. Amish Gramish 03:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The game has no US release date. However it will be released in japan in alittle over a month. IGN news link. Seraphim  19:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope it goes on the U.S. PS3, or I could just play the Japanese version. (If they really don't have region locks.)
 * Let's just hope that either the Japanese version has U.S. subtitles or they come out with it here. Amish Gramish 09:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 Polygon Performance?
What is it? They said that 360 is 500 million/sec. Can't find stats like that on the PS3.


 * "1.1 Billion Vertices per second. (Possibly around 366 Million Polygons (Triangles) per second)" from RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' --Cmsjustin 18:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Link to diff of that entry --Cmsjustin 18:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Polygon per second performance is irrelevant so long as it is above a certain amount. What matters is the amount of shader operations. --68.248.195.105 18:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

TIME says PS3 was a bust.
It's an important point if Gamespot mentions it: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163441.html The Legend of Miyamoto 02:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If only the media knew how much damage they are doing to the video game industry by publishing such negative editorials. In the long run it would hurt the industry if Sony fails with the PS3.  For a market to be strong, top companies need strong rivals, this gives the companies incentive to ensure that the quality of games they produce continue to improve.  Microsoft's only true rival is Sony as they're both going for the graphics + quality = fun, whereas Nintendo is going for the low graphics + gimmick controller = fun philosophy.  If Nintendo's system manages to outsell both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 by a large margin and producers abandon the Xbox 360 and the PS3, a game crash similar to the big one in 1984 may happen because of a saturation of cheap-to-produce gimmicky games.  Dionyseus 03:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Or people who enjoy certain games could continue to ignore the media as they do now. Red Steel, one of the worst games in existence, has been something like the #2 Wii game in North America so far. That game was receiving bad press since E3. If Sony, or Microsoft, or Nintendo fail, it's their own fault, not the media's. A seriously doubt a video game depression will be the result though, as I doubt both Sony and Microsoft will drop out. If Sony, for whatever reason, decides to, Microsoft will reel in the "refugee" customers, and vice versa. As for Nintendo being all about the 'gimmicky/low-quality games', that's a fairly fanboyish idea. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And besides that, what does any of this rant have to do with the article? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 07:54, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should put in a disclaimer pointing out that the launch games will be/are shit.87.102.11.80 12:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Dionyseus. The media killed the Dreamcast before it even came to market. I can't tell you how many times I've had people tell me all the problems I should be having with my PS3. Backwards compatability? All my PS2 games work... Scaling issues? I use 720p. Blu-ray shortages?... What the hell does that have to do with the unit sitting under my TV? --Cmsjustin 17:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And how can it be a bust if it's only been out for a month? Plus its sold out from every store... --Cmsjustin 17:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * And how the hell does the media killing the PS3 lead to a video game crash? That's the main point of what he said, not how relevant or not the TIME article is. Again, this discussion has nothing to do with the article. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It's certainly interesting that Time is saying it..this could be relevent if the PS3 does 'crash and burn", otherwise it's just another drop in the ocean...83.100.158.78 20:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

But the New York Times published an article that ran at the front of their Entertainment section describing the PS3 as a bust, too. These are two widely respected, influential periodicals. The article should mention something.--Sludge 17:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Op-ed. Not particularly encyclopedic, even if the publication is respectable.  We (theoretically) publish facts, not every opinion that can be represented. -- mattb

gamestop theft?
link broken. any info? news to me.66.97.203.92 03:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

WI-Fi
Just a note ( I do not know how to change this yet, kinda wiki-new) The PS3 60GB version comes with an onboard wi-fi adapter.

maybe someone can change that on the main page. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.106.245.249 (talk • contribs).


 * It's already mentioned. i.e., in the box in the Overview section with the title System features. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

In Stock
I find it interesting that several web sites such as walmart and etoys list the PS3 in stock. And it appears that people can't sell the PS3 for more than list price anymore on ebay. Daniel.Cardenas 17:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's because there's no one left that's willing to spend more than the MSRP on a PS3 from scalpers or in bundles, because they already bought them at launch.
 * Interpret, a research firm in Los Angeles, published a report that said that 8.9 million people were willing and able to buy a PS3 at $500 and $600, 5.7 million were willing and able to buy a Wii, and 800,000 people were willing and able to buy a 360, so many people think they won't be able to get one, so they are either getting a Wii and/or the 360, and waiting for the PS3. 65.61.83.54 09:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of the display problems with virtually all PS2 games?
I was just wondering why there is no mention of this in the "Backward Compatibility" section. The problem is pretty severe, and it makes PS2 games look very bad (this coming from someone who has first-hand experience with the problem). For those who are unaware of the problem, it has been discussed at length here: http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=808212&view=by_date_ascending&page=1[/url], and of course there's also the youtube video, which illustrates the problem accurately. In my opinion this is a major enough issue to merit mention on the main page - but I realize we don't have enough cite able evidence yet (such as articles from major news sources)

Epsilon72 02:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)Epsilon72
 * It's not notable. Backward compatibility is a bonus rather than a primary feature, be thankful the PS3 is capable of playing practically every PS1 and PS2 game, whereas the Xbox 360 only currently supports approximately 30% of the Xbox library, and the Wii requires you to pay $5 for games like Super Mario Bros which came out for free 20 years ago.  Dionyseus 05:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how it isn't notable or a primary feature. Sony touted it as a benefit (for example over the 360). Also given that people would buy the PS3 thinking they'd have access to the PS2 library, a strong advantage indeed. The failure to have it at an acceptable quality level is notable, especially considering how consoles typically don't have particularly strong titles to begin with until later on.--Tomwchow 14:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I am going to assume good faith here even considering your comments on gimmicky/low-quality games elsewhere on this talk page, but it does seem to me like you have a rather twisted view on reality, I can certainly never remember Nintendo releasing SMB free 20 years ago, and if you are referring to it being a pack in game with NES systems for quite some time, then it is still not considered free, as you would have to buy the NES to get the game therefore paying for the game. Besides the Wii's backwards compatibility with Gamecube games is apparently 100%, the virtual console games are not considered backwards compatible, as you cannot physically insert a NES\SNES\MD\PC engine cartridge into the Wii and play the game. Golden Dragoon 03:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

IGN / GameSpot Unofficial links : Vote for removal
Ok I'm sure most of you feel the same way about GameSpot for the least, GameSpot is known for being very biased against the Sony generation of products. Though at first they were in the viewers eyes biased towards Ps2, it seems they have switched against them now.

-Here is a link to them fighting off alot of complaints against the xbox http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/030802/p2_01.html

Though now I and many others will say that they are against Sony, either way a bias is a bias and even if they do bias towards Sony again, it shouldn't be posted up here. I feel a site for reviews should focus strictly on one platform/console to be listed on here.

-About IGN, they seem to do some of the same things that GameSpot does with their ads, Microsoft advertisements plastered all over Sonys ps2 and ps3 pages for a while until people were complaining. They also seem to bias towards Microsoft products as well, offering multiple continent reviews mainly to Microsoft published/console games in their recent new offices offering reviews.

I'm not some fanboy here, just someone who would like to see people going to an unbiased source whether it be against or for the console in question. Thank you for reading.

Oh for reference, just go to yahoo or google, type in "gamespot biased" or "ign biased" Many results will surface, some being to other popular gaming websites editors frowning upon these two sites. Alot will be forums and such, but they are still there.

--64.231.251.250 09:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific? Which references or better yet, which article text would be deleted? Daniel.Cardenas 15:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Presentation of prices is misleading and U.S. centric
In the UK prices of consumer products are never listed without VAT. The table needs to be made much clearer. Olborne 16:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

PS3 missed the 2006 Christmas rush
I heard on the news that availability problem of PS3 hurt SONY badly this Christmas. I think it should be significant enough as a topic in the article. Almost every game console sold better than PS3 this Christmas. Even PS2 beat PS3 in sales. I heard one of the part suppliers screwed SONY big time. Anyone know the real cause of the short supply? -Kowloonese 23:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sony never expected availability to be high. Sony has talked about problems making enough of the blu-ray diode and IBM has issues with the Cell processor.  These production problems/opportunities will be fixed with time.  Daniel.Cardenas 17:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Third PlayStation 3 Version for Video Enthusiasts for $2500
Should we add details of third version of playstation 3?. See here here for more information. This machine cost whooping 2500$. Was PS 3 successful console?. Was it a big hit? --SkyWalker 10:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We've used news originating from PC Watch before (usually through an intermediary English-language source), and X-bit labs may be reliable enough. Though if it isn't considered to be (I'm not too familiar with the site), we could sit on this until a more trusted source picks it up. Dancter 20:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

please archive
this page needs to be archived. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.248.195.105 (talk) 18:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC).