Talk:Play On Tour

One or Two Legs
Unless some new sources has popped up, there is nothing to support it has been two legs. All Carrie's site says is "fall tour dates announced". That doesn't mean it is a separate leg, that means tour dates in the fall are being announced, nothing more. --Shadow (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok if no one wants to talk about this issue then don't add it back to the page once it is unlocked. --Shadow (talk) 03:04, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring
I have fully protected the article for 1 week. Please form a consensus here about whether there is 1 leg or 2 legs for this tour. If concensus is reached before the week is up, contact me and I will lift the protection.

reliable independent sources verifying the number of legs is required. If there are no reliable, independent sources confirming that there are 2 legs, then it should probably be assumed that the tour has one leg.

Contact me if you have any questions (either here, or on my talk page). --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 08:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

There are 2 Legs
Tulsa World, the second-most populated newspaper/article references in Tulsa, Oklahoma, has even confirmed that Carrie Underwood has 2 legs on her tour. Check out the caption under the photo of Carrie Underwood on the page of the link: http://www.tulsaworld.com/scene/article.aspx?subjectid=269&articleid=20100416_371_0_Carrie774624

World News, the website that reports breaking news in politics, economy, entertainment, sports, environmental studies, etc., confirmed that Carrie Underwood has 2 legs to her tour. Check out the title of the article from this link: http://article.wn.com/view/2010/04/20/Carrie_Underwood_tour_second_leg_schedule_tickets/

2 trustworthy and official sites both posted the same information, stating that Underwood has a Spring Leg and a Fall Leg. 2 legs. Can we please settle on this? --undrwood9098 (talk) 06:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if people would have talked about this in the first place this would have been over last week. I still don't really see a picture caption as solid evidence though. This brings up another problem though. We does one end and the other begin? Those sources don't point that out at all. --Shadow (talk) 04:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * One does not end as the other begins. The official ending date of the Spring tour is July 4. The Fall tour begins nearly one month later on September 25. That is a very wide margin. The July 31, August 29, and August 31 dates are simply fairs that she will attend. They are not legitimate tour dates that involve her entire set. And if you don't see a picture caption as solid evidence, then look at the title of the World News article. An official and exquisite reporting site like that confirmed that there is a Fall leg in the title of the article. --undrwood9098 07:53, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you seen Ticketmaster? Those summer dates are very well regular tour dates. They are sold under the Play On Tour. --Shadow (talk) 19:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But they are fairs. She is just one of the performers appearing. On July 31, Brad Paisley will be at the same show. And even if they were tour dates, don't you think a couple sparatically-placed shows wouldn't be classified in a leg since they fall nearly a moth away from each other? If you took those fair dates out, the tour dates would become July 4 and skip to September 25. Obviously there's 2 legs. --undrwood9098 07:33, 14 May 2010


 * Shadow has indicated on my talk page that a consensus has been reached! Thank you for discussing this - it is one of the strengths of Wikipedia, that discussion can be held and consensus reached. I am now going to unprotect the article. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 06:41, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Box office data score
I first removed the box office data score that was part of the tour dates table back in November due to the data being sourced to a non-reliable fan message board. When User:Undrwood9098 questioned the removal on my talk page and I responded, but got no response back. In December, Undrwood9098 added back the box office data score in its own table with no source. Yesterday, I noticed this unsourced data and removed it as such, only to be reverted hours later with the following edit summary, "Undid revision 406924380 by Aspects (talk) reposted valid box office score data that someone deleted". If the box office data score is valid, then there should be no problem sourcing it to a non-reliable source. Seeing how there is no source for this information, per WP:Verifiability and more specifically WP:BURDEN, I am removing the information until there is a reliable source to back up the information. Aspects (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I see the points you are making, but unfortunately, the only way reliable links are able to be placed on is through Billboard.biz (from my knowledge, at least), and that is a website that requires payments and log-ins in order to see information. Therefore, box office data score wouldn't be available for everyone to see. Unless there's another reliable source, I'm not sure that it's possible to link the information. If we ultimately have to settle for leaving the box office data out of the page entirely, then it is what it is.

Undrwood9098 (talk) 01:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)