Talk:Ploceidae

Name
Looking at what links here, I think this page should be moved Ploceidae. &mdash; Pekinensis 02:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Social or Sociable Weaver
I changed the common name given for Philetairus socius to "Sociable Weaver" because
 * Philetairus "Sociable Weaver" gets 81 hits at Google Scholar; Philetairus "Social Weaver" gets 10 hits, of which at least three call it the Sociable Weaver too (and include the phrase "Social Weaver" in reference to Pseudonigrita). In a similar search at Google Books, "Sociable Weaver" wins 50 to 27; again some of the hits with "Social Weaver" use "Sociable Weaver" for Philetairus socius.
 * Birds of Southern Africa by Sinclair, Hockey, and Tarboton, as well as the book of the same title by van Perlo, call it Sociable.
 * The IUCN calls it Sociable.

Against this, HBW and Clements call it Social. But "Sociable" is clearly the more familiar name to both ornithologists and birders, so I think we can overrule HBW. &mdash;JerryFriedman 05:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I am requesting a move of this article to Ploceidae as this is a more precise (less ambiguous) name for the subject of the article, and because it is far from clear that this bird is the primary topic expected by somebody entering Weaver into WP. Much more likely they are looking for something related to fabrics and textiles.

As evidence, please examine the what links here list. Most genuine bird-related links already come via redirects at Ploceidae or Weaver bird, whilst many of the other links are mis-links by editors who clearly expected weaver to link to an article about the occupation of weaving cloth.

If this move is expedited, I will turn Weaver into a dab page and fix up the mis-links to something more appropriate.-- Chris j wood (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support both - that is, to have the article about the family at Ploceidae and the dab page at Weaver. Tevildo (talk) 16:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support -- the base term should clearly be a disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 17:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Mis-links fixed up -- Chris j wood (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starbois (talk • contribs)

Move request

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Ploceidae → Weaver (bird) – Request move to the common name, which is widely used and unproblematic. Relisting and notifying WT:BIRD. Favonian (talk) 21:17, 22 May 2012 (UTC) &mdash;innotata 15:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose: some are Fodies (Fody in the singular) and some are Bishops. Snowman (talk)
 * Oppose: For same reasons as above, and not to mention (while I do) Quelea, Widowbirds, Malimbe, etc.  The premise that the use of the generalized common name Weaver while essentially true for those species falling within genus Ploceus being unproblematic is fallacious when applied to related genera outside of Ploceus.Steve Pryor (talk) 06:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Most genera are called weavers.
 * That doesn't necessarily mean "weaver" isn't a common name for the family, and it's used for example in the Handbook of the Birds of the World/Internet Bird Collection. I don't have any real problem with using Ploceidae as the article title, I'd just rather use the common name. &mdash;innotata 18:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think anybody will really go to the mat on this, at least, not right now. One of the problems is that it is probably premature to consider this question.  I think that Snowman and I were the ones that vetted the list now being currently used as Ploceidae.  The reason that it might be premature is that many of those genera might be just seasonal renters in the group.  Namely, genera such as Plocepasser, Histurgops, Pseudonigrita are now by many associated to Passeridae, and still being called "weaver" this or that.  This means that in the slimmed-down version of Ploceidae (meaning moving the above cited genera out) we would have only 11 genera, and I think only 5 or 6 of them use "weaver" in the common name.  Supposedly, and I repeat, supposedly, the HM 4th Ed. is slated to come out no later than August this year (they are taking pre-orders).  The upshot, you might want to wait on this question until the dust has settled and an authoritative text tax list (such as is the HM) has pronounced themselves on exactly which genera are associated to which family.Steve Pryor (talk) 07:43, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.