Talk:Plone (software)/Archive 1

any explanation
Is there any explanation for the remarkable resemblance of Wikipedia's new look, and Plone's?


 * My guess would be that columns have become some kind of standard in visually structuring webpages, as they also go nicely with Cascading Style Sheets. Same will be true for tabs sitting on top of some content or main column. But behind the scenes, the content management model is quite different, as well as the language it is programmed in - both Python and PHP are open for web standards and whatever the site is to look like. --Vintagesound 22:18, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * See http://en.wikipedia.org/style/monobook/main.css, mainly the line

** Loosely based on http://www.positioniseverything.net/ordered-floats.html by Big John ** and the Plone 2.0 styles, see http://plone.org/ (Alexander Limi,Joe Geldart & Tom Croucher, ** Michael Zeltner and Geir BÃ¦kholt) ** All you guys rock :)
 * [ alerante | &#x201c;&#x201d; 00:53, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC) ]
 * Ay, now that I found that hint as well I wanted to add it! :D --Vintagesound 13:54, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Plone should probably be added to the list of CMS's right? Even though its based on Zope etc...

Advertising tone
Much of this reads like an ad, especially the features list. Copying and pasting is a feature? Powerful graphical editor?

This tone makes Plone sound amateurish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmo7 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

NPOV/quotations
The article says "grown into one of the most popular and powerful open-source content management systems in the world.[1]". How is a list of books a source for this claim? 61.9.200.131 07:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't read the book. However visiting The Plone list of sites you will find a list of currently 513 sites. Interesting entries are CIA (can this vouch for security qualities of Plone?), numerous academic institutions, financial services and investing (can these vouch for the reliability of Plone?), non-profit (can these vouch for the cost effectiveness of Plone?) and more. --85.164.186.210 17:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Security
It's secure,

At what level is a product considered "secure"? --Midnightcomm 23:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * CIA uses Plone. They know a thing or two about security. --85.164.186.210 17:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * According to Secunia there have only been 3 security advisories registered (number matches those of Mitre), all of which were classified as less critical. Would this and the CIA use be worth adding to the article? --21:18, 29 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.164.185.108 (talk)

External links and references
I tried to put in a link to my site of free Plone lessons, but it was removed. I do not se ethe difference between the links to books about Plone (the commercial ones don't give you anything free) and putting my link to www.insmallsteps.com ? Please check out what I have put together, as I am getting good feedback form users taking the lessons. Everything is free on the site for the users. They listed it on plone.net with no problem. Please advise. Thanks, Jamie Robe
 * Deletionists do not add, they delete, and much has been deleted from this article
 * deletionists do not discuss, they just delete, and very little is commented upon here
 * deletionists do not advise or inform, they only delete, and agree with fellow deletionists
 * deletionists do not care, they just delete, referring to WP:thinexcuses and WP:phaseofthemoon
 * In summary you can leave links for perusals on this page and hope people see it but you risk deletionists wipe your comments too as has happened in the past. Your best bet is making it appear on Googling. The main free book on Plone is sadly incomplete and increasingly out of date so if you update it and add your tutorials your site could become established for newcomers to Plone. Just don't put your hopes in Wikipedia, it is a loss. --21:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

review on strength and weaknesses
I removed the paragraph outlining some of the possible strengths and weaknesses, not because there's no truth to it in my experience but because not even the smallest attempt was made to provide a notable source. Opinions on how accessible, secure or slow a constantly updated product is should not belong in Wikipedia, unless it's a notable opinion, linked to specific version, reviewers and dates Furoria 09:31, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you try checking? Like this talk page for instance? Security as a strength is actually listed here under the title Security as a discussion topic and references are indeed provided. Why did you decide just to wipe the section rather than adding a cite tag or perhaps even participate in the discussion here?? --21:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.164.177.149 (talk)

A review of the referenced document on strengths and weaknesses made it clear that the difficulties referred to were for development and customization -- not use. The language was edited to improve accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.125.235.184 (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

More deletions
A recent deletion was made under the alibi Removed undocumented view on perceived qualities but appeared to fail to see the link that was deleted too: http://www.packtpub.com/plone/book Said link provides the following statement:
 * Plone is an open source content management system built on the powerful object-oriented Zope application server. Easy to use, powerful, extensible, and well-supported by an extensive team of developers and contributors, Plone has quickly become one of the most popular open source content management servers.

Furthermore a list of Plone sites is provided at Plone: http://plone.net/sites (currently listing 977 sites. This too has been discussed earlier on this talk page under the heading NPOV/quotations. --21:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Plone-logo-2008.png
Image:Plone-logo-2008.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 15:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Release History
Can we get a release history chart in here, possibly similar to the one in Ubuntu? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_linux#Releases Altonbr (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

WCAG-AAA claim
Most claims regarding WCAG conformance are overstated, WCAG-AAA is very hard to reach, and since December 2008 there is WCAG 2.0. So what is meant by this claim and where does it come from? (The original text said "WAI-AAA", which is nonsense.) --ChristopheS (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

A few links to improve accessibility information: --ChristopheS (talk) 14:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Plone and Accessibility - Aaron VanDerlip's presentation from Plone Conference 2006
 * BIENE Award in Bronze for Plone based Site
 * Holly Marie Koltz: Accessibility Webcast on Plone. September 2nd, 2006.
 * Accessibility NZ: Web Accessibility and Content Management Systems. October 28th, 2008.
 * Laura Burzagli et al: Using Web Content Management Systems for Accessibility: The Experience of a Research Institute Portal. Proceedings of Computers Helping People with Special Needs, Linz, Austria, July 2006. LNCS 5105, pp. 454-461.