Talk:Plug-in hybrid/Archive 4

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GM Volt
According to this article GM Volt GM claim that the volt isn't a PHEV. So, if wiki is to be regarded as non contradictory, should it be scrubbed from this page, or should GM's absurd claim be removed from the Volt article? Greglocock (talk) 23:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Where does it say that the Chevrolet Volt isn't a plug-in? It always has been since its initial announcement and all the concept versions are plug-ins.  Although back when they announced it, Chevy was using the term "E-Flex" which they replaced with "dual-drive," but they stopped using that when VW announced the "TwinDrive" plug-in Golf.  So now they are calling it an "Extended-Range Electric Vehicle (E-REV)" but it's still a plug-in and nobody says it isn't. This article calls the Volt a plug-in in the third paragraph of the intro, in the History section mentioning the announcement, and everywhere else. I can't find anywhere that says otherwise. 69.228.201.125 (talk) 05:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "the company has avoided the use of the term "hybrid" when describing its non-conforming E-Flex designs. Instead GM has described the Volt as an electric vehicle equipped with a "range extending" gasoline powered internal combustion engine (ICE) as a genset and therefore dubbed an "Extended Range Electric Vehicle"[7] or EREV.[7][8][9] " Which part of that makes it sounnd like they call it a PHEV? Given what the H stands for... Greglocock (talk) 05:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Per WP:COMMONNAME, we have to use these terms as they are most commonly used in the reliable sources, not WP:NEOLOGISMs created by corporations. Note that GM also uses the term "two-mode hybrid" for the plug-in Saturn VUE SUV. 69.228.201.125 (talk) 07:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, therefore we should edit the GM Volt article to remove the stupid neologism. You will meet some resistance as the fanbois there are very protective of 'their' article. Greglocock (talk) 11:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Either way, please add the acronym "EREV" (Extended-Range Electric Vehicle) to the article, since "EREV" redirects here yet there is no mention of this acronym in the article. -149.32.192.33 (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The Volt is indeed not a plug in hybrid. As the Volt always uses an electric motor to power the wheels. A hybrid uses different combinations of electrical and combustion engine to power the wheels. The Volts/Ampera combustion engine is what we call a range extender, as it basically provides electrical power to charge the battery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.168.239 (talk) 08:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Never say never or always. There is one mode of the original Volt's drivetrain in which there is a direct mechanical link between engine and wheels. It's a PHEVGreglocock (talk) 09:48, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

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Very long indeed
At 16,968 words "readable prose size" (excluding captions, tables, ToC, references, etc), this article is more than three times the 5,000 words where we generally think about splitting or pruning an article. It is almost 7,000 words behind the 10,000 words that is generally considered the upper-ish limit for an article. There is no clear reason why this plug-in hybrids are a topic that requires an extraordinary amount of space. Why is the History section almost 2,500 words? Does it take 2,500 words to summarize an article of 7,450 words? Similarly, the Technoology section contains extensive unfocused details that should only be summarized, letting the sub-topics cover them in depth (Hybrid vehicle drivetrains, Electric vehicle battery, Charging station, so on). It doesn't all have to be repeated here.The same problems plague Hybrid electric vehicle, at 12,613 words, as well as the quit long History of plug-in hybrids at 7,400 words, while Electric vehicle is "smallest" at a hefty 6,527 words. Redundancy is fine to a point, but if it is causing this level of bloat, something has to be done.
 * To edit is sometimes also to cut. Anything that already has a main article can be summarized here and doesn't need a recap. A long list of newspaper clippings about "Professor Kropotnik has announced his scale up of lemon battery technology to electric cars" is un-needed here. We don't need a recap of the model history of every car here, we have main articles for the notable ones.
 * What tool gives the "readable" (sic) "prose size" ? (Assuming the typical patchwork of graveyard robbed bits makes an article that is "readable" - Dr. Frankenstein had the advantage of not being an ad-hoc committee.) --Wtshymanski (talk) 19:17, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Sources to Add
I am adding the following sources which can be used to correctly cite some current information present in the article and that can also be used to add more up to date information to the article. Slesl1 (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/business/electric-vehicles-taxes-tesla-gm.html
 * https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/explaining-electric-plug-hybrid-electric-vehicles
 * https://charge.net.nz/faq/what-is-the-difference-between-ac-and-dc-charging/
 * https://www.afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_batteries.html