Talk:Plumbide

Anything special about these compounds?
Are they particularly interesting in some area of chemistry or physics? Do they have any unique properties? Are they good models for some effect? Would also be good to mention why these are considered a plumbide (anionic lead) intermetallics instead of just an all-neutral-atoms simple metal alloy (though that is probably a more general topic for somewhere else that could just be linked. DMacks (talk) 04:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * IUPAC nomenclature of inorganic chemistry says Single atom anions are named with an -ide suffix, the definition should not be an issue. Only the third article cited mentions titanium plumbide, they all refer to Intermetallics V8rik (talk) 18:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I had a look on SciFinder and found 75 references, including 3 reviews:


 * B. W. Eichhorn, R. C. Haushalter, J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun., 1990, 937-938: "Closo-[CrPb9(CO)3]4−: a 100 year history of the nonaplumbide tetra-anion"


 * Handbook on the Physics and Chemistry of Rare Earths, 38 (2007) 55-103: "Chapter 237 Rare Earth–Transition Metal–Plumbides"


 * Z. Kristall. (1999), 214, (11), 722-734: "Valence compounds at the border to intermetallics. Alkali and alkaline earth metal stannides and plumbides"


 * Google gives 386 hits for "plumbide", but 2940 for "plumbides".


 * Greenwood & Earnshaw (pp. 391-396 of 2nd ed.) discusses Ge, Sn, Pb metal clusters, including polyplumbide anions such as D3h [Pb5]2− in red crystalline [Na(crypt)]+2[Pb5]2−, from reaction of crypt in en with the alloy NaPb1.7-2. [Pb9]4− stable in liq. NH3. Polymetallic-cluster anions also known, e.g. [Sn9-xPbx]4−.


 * Ben (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Where to go
I'm not really sure where to go from here. I'm finding articles like doi:10.1016/S0925-8388(03)00437-7, but they are all scientific papers, and I don't really know how to turn these references into an encyclopedia article. Chlorine Trifluoride (talk) 01:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It's better to start with textbooks, and if those don't contain enough detail, go to review articles (secondary sources). Only when the importance and context is explained, using such references, is it really appropriate to add detail from primary literature (research articles). Try Greenwood and Earnshaw for a start, I've given the pages numbers and a summary above.


 * Ben (talk) 02:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I will. Chlorine Trifluoride (talk) 02:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

More refs
I searched for articles citing [http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ic50170a036 ''Inorg. Chem.'' (1977) 16, 903–907] and found these:


 * Fassler "Crystal structure of hexapotassium pentaplumbide, K6Pb5" Zeitschrift für Kristallographie. New crystal structures. (1999) 214 (4), 437
 * T. F. Fässler, M. Hunziker, M. E. Spahr, H. Lueken, H. Schilder "Homoatomare Cluster E93− mit E = Ge, Sn und Pb: EPR-Spektren, Magnetismus und Elektrochemie", Z. Anorg. Allg. Chem. (2000) 626, 692-700
 * F. Stabenow, W. Saak, H. Marsmann, M. Weidenbruch, "Hexaarylcyclotriplumbane: A Molecule with a Homonuclear Ring System of Lead", J. Am. Chem. Soc. (2003) 125, 10172–10173
 * L. Yong, S. D. Hoffmann, T. F. Fässler, S. Riedel, M. Kaupp, " [ Pb5{Mo(CO)3}2 4−: A Complex Containing a Planar Pb5 Unit", Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. (2005) 44, 2092 –2096]
 * A. Spiekermann, S. D. Hoffmann, T. F. Fässler, "The Zintl Ion [ Pb10 2−: A Rare Example of a Homoatomic closo Cluster", Angew. Chem. Int. Ed. (2006) 45, 3459-3462]
 * E. N. Esenturk, J. Fettinger, B. Eichhorn, "The Pb122− and Pb102− Zintl Ions and the M@Pb122− and M@Pb102− Cluster Series Where M = Ni, Pd, Pt", J. Am. Chem. Soc., (2006), 128, 9178–9186
 * C. Suchentrunk, N. Korber, "Ge52− Zintl anions: synthesis and crystal structures of [ K( [ 2.2.2 -crypt) ] 2Ge5·4NH3 and [ Rb( [ 2.2.2 ] -crypt) ] 2Ge5·4NH3", New J. Chem., (2006) 30, 1737-1739]

Ben (talk) 20:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

More Sections
From the new references that are above, it appears that each lead anion could eventually have its own section in the article. Chlorine Trifluoride (talk) 01:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Class
Is this article up to start class yet? Chlorine Trifluoride (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)