Talk:Pluto (Disney)/Archive 1

Bluto
I removed this:


 * Disney Studios successfully forced Paramount Pictures to change the name of Olive Oyl's eager suitor in the Popeye cartoons from Bluto to Brutus on the grounds that he might be confused with Pluto, although the characters are nothing alike.

...a popular, yet untrue rumor. The Bluto/Brutus name change involves a legal mixup over Bluto's ownership between Paramount Pictures and King Features Syndicate. --FuriousFreddy 20:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Just as the above removal begs citation, so does the reason for removal. Either would be great contributions to the main article, but not without supporting evidence. Hondo 20:02, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Naming
I removed the reference quoting Disney in a book casually cited as On The Road to Disney, by Walt Disney. I could not locate any citations of the book on WorldCat, Amazon.com, or LexisNexis Academic. If the original author could restore the paragraph with improved citation, that would be appreciated. I substituted a more detailed account of Pluto's naming. Demeny 17:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Origins of name Pluto
http://www.space.com/searchforlife/060907_pluto_politics.html

This page suggests that the name Pluto did not come from the Planet Pluto but was instead suggested by an 11 year old girl?

58.107.43.109 (talk) 12:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You are reading it backwards. The article states what I hope would have been obvious ... that the planet was not named after the cartoon dog.Kww (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok Thanks

Pberrett (talk) 07:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggested move of Pluto to Pluto (dwarf planet)
I have suggested the move to make the disambiguation page the automatic direct for "Pluto". Please add your thoughts at Talk:Pluto The Enlightened (talk) 10:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Puto's Debut ?
...is currently noted to be "Chain Gang" (Aug 1930) ref (at 5:58 in the clip) however, the two "bloodhounds" bear very little resemblance to Pluto's character and are much more akin to generic dogs. Alternately, consider "The Picnic" (Nov 1930) ref (at 0:58 in the clip) to be the real debut. Some reasons:

The "Chain Gang" dogs lack Pluto's physical characteristics - i.e. no knob on the head, sharp canine teeth, unemotive faces, no change of emotion; P - Pluto has his knob head, his peg teeth, his face shows emotions, he rapidly changes emotions In "Chain Gang", 2 dogs are shown, whereas in "Picnic" only one dog appears. In "chain gang" the dogs are bloodhounds, whereas in several later episodes, (e.g. Mickey's Garden) Pluto is clearly a pointer.

re: "The Picnic" it is not clear that the character's name was "rover" but rather Minnie's line was: "oh can I bring my little rover" (w/ possessive pronoun) - as there was no further reference in the short, we cant conclude that this was his name.István (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * or consider this appearance, predating "Chain Gang", in "Mickey's Choo Choo" (20 Jun 29) at 1:39 in the video. Its clearly a dog, with a knob head, peg teeth, obviously Mickey's pal, showing human emotion - this character is much closer to Pluto than the two smooth-head, pointy-tooth, adverserial bloodhounds in "Chain Gang" .  I believe the WP:RS source is simply wrong, yet correcting it with reference to the works themselves would be WP:PRIMARY at best.István (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Here it is clearly shown (left) from 1929 "Mickey's Choo Choo" at 1:41 and (right) the referenced debut in 1930 from "The Chain Gang" at 6:06. Clearly the earlier one is more akin to Pluto than the later one. [[:File:Pluto The Chain Gang 1930 at 6m06s.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Referenced debut of Pluto in 1930]] [[:File:Pluto mickeys choo choo 1929 at 1m41s.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Proposed debut of Pluto in 1929]] (click on the images to view - these are "fair-use" so they must be thumbs) Clearly, the 1929 version is closer to Pluto than the later 1930 version. References all over the web citing the 1930 appearance in "The Chain Gang" are just simply wrong. Possibly due to one mistake propagating itself via cut-and-paste (something wikipedia is often accused of fostering - seems this happens from other, especially less scrutinized sources, as well). István (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Pluto is a companion (1929), not a police dog (1930).
 * 2) Pluto (29) behaves in character whereas the police dogs (1930) do not.
 * 3) Pluto (29) has peg teeth, whereas the police dogs (1930) have pointed teeth.
 * 4) Pluto (29) has the knob on his head, whereas the police dogs' (1930) heads are smoothly round
 * 5) Pluto is a pointer whereas the police dog (1930) is a bloodhound

The Moose Hunt
Hi, "The Moose Hunt" is quoted as Pluto's first appearance where he is named "Pluto" (both in the infobox and the article section "Origin"). This is backed up by several other sites. However I watched the cartoon "The Moose Hunt" several times today and can't hear the word "Pluto" spoken or the word "Pluto" written on screen anywhere. In "The Picnic", the word "Rover" is clearly written about Pluto's kennel. But for "The Moose Hunt" it seems less clear cut and so I'm not sure why this is officially regarded as the first cartoon where Pluto is named since I can't find any evidence that he actually was! Kidburla (talk) 21:15, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen the cartoon in question. However, I'd be surprised if a short did have credits. The current source we are using, Disney Trivia from the Vault: Secrets Revealed and Questions Answered, is published by Disney so it is certainly authoritative. It confirms The Chain Gang (1930) (unnamed), The Picnic (1930) (as Rover), The Moose Hunt (1931) (as Pluto). Assuming there aren't credits in the short itself, we're left to wonder how we know the barks were done by Pinto Colvig. What we probably have underlying all of this is a source that confirms both. Anyone have anything on this? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Usual Wikipedia Incompetence
You don't seem to understand that characters, as such, are not copyrighted; they are trademarked, and trademarks don't have an expiration date. What was extended by the change in copyright law was the copyright on material in which Pluto (and other characters) appeared. Had those copyrights expired, the trademark would still hold, so that old material could be reproduced by others, but new use of Pluto would remain under control of Disney. —2600:8800:7580:3BE:4763:1924:3F01:7A1 (talk) 18:20, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Personal attacks removed. - Mike Rosoft (talk) 07:08, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 5 September 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/ c 21:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Pluto (Disney) → Pluto the Pup – Seems that renaming this article to "Pluto the Pup" would result in the article's title using natural disambiguation. However, is that enough to move the article, given that the current title seems to be the subject's common name? Compare to Princess Jasmine and how the article is currently not at Jasmine (Disney). Steel1943 (talk) 16:59, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:COMMONNAME, no comparison with Princess Jasmine here. In ictu oculi (talk) 21:26, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose move. The common name is Pluto without a qualifier, but disambiguation is required because of the character's namesake ex-planet.  ONR  (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


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Promotion is anti-encyclopedic
As of the time-stamp of this post, this Article contains the sentence "The segment became a classic, demonstrating how Disney artists can take a simple circumstance and build humor through a character." If I were in charge, the word "Disney" would be deleted from that sentence. What is the basis for the assertion that ONLY Disney artists are able to do this and that artists who aren't "Disney artists" are not able to do this?2603:7000:9906:EEC7:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 (talk) 17:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson