Talk:Pobal Chill Chomáin

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9x5, you've restored a tag that says:

"This article does not cite any references or sources."

That's simply not true, as a cursory glance at the "References" section will show. Can you remove or replace the tag?

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 17:37, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Willie Corduff
I've altered the piece on Willie Corduff to read as it has been reported in the media, backed with reference to Irish Times Article. G ain  Line ♠ 09:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Also see talk on IRMS page



This is the link that has been used to back up the statement that Corduff claims IRMS were responsible. Here is the Text:

A protester who bedded down under a truck at the site where work is taking place on the controversial Corrib gas pipeline has claimed he was beaten up by a gang of men at the compound in the early hours of this morning.

Willie Corduff, a member of the Rossport Five, who were jailed for 94 days in 2005 over their opposition to the routing of the onshore pipeline, was taken to Mayo General Hospital in Castlebar.

Mr Corduff (55) claims he was dragged from under a truck at around 3.45am by at least six men dressed in black and wearing balaclavas who beat him viciously about the head and knees.

''“I thought they were trying to kill me,” said Mr Corduff. “They beat me until I stopped moving. I heard one of them say, ‘Stop now lads, he’s nearly finished.”''

Earlier this week Shell EP Ireland decided to resume efforts to lay the offshore section of the pipeline after its environmental management plan was approved by Minister for Energy Eamon Ryan.

''Mr Corduff and two other local men climbed under the truck at midday yesterday in an attempt to halt work at the site at Glengad, Bellanaboy. The other two men were removed but Mr Corduff vowed to stay under the vehicle until he had evidence that Shell had authorisation for their work.''

In addition to his claims of having been attacked by a gang, Mr Corduff also said that gardaí had thrown stones at him yesterday in an attempt to remove him from under the truck.

''Gardaí are today investigating an incident at Shell’s Corrib site in which they say up to 15 people wearing balaclavas and carrying tools, bars and chains vandalised the area last night. It is not known if the two incidents are connected.''

A spokeswoman for Shell EP Ireland said the company would not be issuing a statement regarding recent activities at the site while the Garda investigation was continuing.

As can be seen, at no point does Corduff make these allegations. This can't be included as per WP:V. Until some investigation or verifiable source can back this claim up it remains WP:Speculation. G ain  Line ♠ 16:43, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I've now found an Irish Times source that backs up the alleged assault by security staff on Willie Corduff, I've inserted it here and reworded to reflect the article. It still can't go into the IRMS article as they aren't mentioned. I know LP will say that they are they only security operator at the site but this counts as original research and it won't meet WP:V G  ain  Line   ♠  ♥  14:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you can find a reference to another security company working for Shell in Glengad, then you'll have a point. If a newspaper article says "police" crippled a local accountant in Erris, are we forbidden from pointing out that this must mean the Gardaí? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 20:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Please stop being deliberately obtuse and see IRMS talk page G ain  Line   ♠  ♥  20:26, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not being obtuse and you haven't answered my question. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 18:36, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

See IRMS Talk, please keep discussions there rather than spreading all over the place. G ain  Line  ♠♥ 18:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC)