Talk:Podcast/Archive 8(podcasting)

How To Guide
There's a 21 page "how-to" guide that some may find useful. I'm suggesting the reference here for an editors consideration. http://www.voices.com/podcasting.html

davidciccarelli (talk) 13:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Podcasting Statistics
I've found some amazing podcasting statistics that may support the popularity of podcasting

37% of the US popualtion have heard of podcasting (up from 22% in 2006) 13% of the US population have listened to a podcast (up from 11% in 2006) 11% of the US population have watched a video podcast (up from 10% in 2006)

16/4/2007 - Arbitron/Edison - Media Research Internet and Multimedia 2007 Study http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2007/03/the_podcast_aud.php

4/14/2006 - Arbitron - 27 Million American Podcast Listeners; Podcast Users Young and Rich http://www.podcastingnews.com/archives/2006/04/arbitron_27_mil.html

2/12/2007 - MediaWeek - Podcasting to Generate $400 Mil. in Ads by 2011 http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/interactive/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003544227

davidciccarelli (talk) 13:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Brilliant Idea...
Turn this article into a podcast! It would be so fitting...

DarkestMoonlight (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC) (yeah, I'm sort of bored right now...) I listen to Cris Moyles and Scott Mills's podcasts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.185.217 (talk) 20:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I could definitely help with this as I know plenty of voice talent who'd be willing to participate. How should I submit the MP3 file? davidciccarelli (talk) 13:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I certainly agree with the turning into podcast idea. We should. necropirate (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC).

Push technology
Is it accurate to say "they are pushed to a subscriber's computer automatically"? As the entry on push technology says, "...RSS (a pull technology)..."

Is the process of subscribing to a series of podcasts not the same: the client asks for new content periodically? In which case it's misleading to say "[podcasts] are pushed to a subscriber's computer automatically".Ogy403 (talk) 15:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you may be right, so I changed the language to say simply that the feed is subscribed to with no assertion as to a use of push or pull technology. I'll let someone with more tech savvy than myself make the call on that. Bdb484 (talk) 19:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Clean Up
I cleaned up some grammar. Scubadiver99 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scubadiver99 (talk • contribs) 07:04, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Too Ipod-centered
The opening line should be altered: it should state that a podcast is a compressed audio file (eg MP3, Ogg Vorbis, MP4, ...) that contains the recording of a documentary, interview or radio program. It can be played by any digital audio player

After this, it can be included that the name came initially from the Ipod

Also, include info that with podcasts, languages can be learned (see http://www.podcastdirectory.com/podcasts/38526 ) and the news (eg CNN, BBC can be followed aswell as their informational programs). Usable sites include podcastdirectory, http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Languages ,... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.166.74 (talk) 11:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

More Clean-Up Needed
The opening sentence is unintelligible and ruins the rest of the article for the reader. It should sum up and define, and it does neither. The article is currently linked from www.npr.org. This needs to be fixed quickly by someone knowledgable on the subject since NPR is relying upon it. - KitchM (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"...since before the dawn of the Internet" is absurd; that would mean pre-1969. I'm not sure there were any digital sound or video file formats that long ago, and if they existed it certainly wasn't easy to distribute them.

"since before the invention of the Web" would be true with respect to sound files (at least, in the BBS days, we had and commonly shared low-resolution music files such as MIDI, and short WAV files, but they would have been impractical for anything like podcasting given the hard disk sizes and bandwidths typical before 1994); I don't know if it is true w.r.t. video files.

Maybe "...since before Internet access became widespread" or some variation would be the most accurate way of saying what the writer of that sentence presumably meant to say. --Jim Henry (talk) 18:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Podcasts as references or as published works in articles?
Hi folks. I'm working on a few pages concerning performing artists and (copyright issues aside) does anyone know: and
 * 1. if podcasts can be validly listed under "published works"?
 * 2. if footnote references to podcasts of the artist's work are generally a good idea?

Thanks very much in advance for any help.--Tyranny Sue (talk) 02:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Just the facts...
"Don’t confuse amateur production quality for lack of substance; the medium exists because of the hard work, often unpaid and seldom rewarded, of thousands of podcasting enthusiasts who are simply seeking a way to be heard."

Is it me or is that all bias opinion and no fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.190.179.149 (talk) 21:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Backronym?
A backronym did not just develop out of nowhere as this article would have you believe. Creative is the only company that uses this backronym, it was developed by Creative in a bit of awkwardy contrived revisionism. It is kind of insulting that this gets into the article without mentioning that nobody on the planet considers the "pod" in podcasting to be an acronym except for a couple hack marketing people at Creative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.70.89 (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * More on this. The current article contradicts itself, claiming "Programming on Demand" as the source and referring to "iPod" as the source in the next line.  The article cited in that first line doesn't mention Programming on Demand nor appears to be the first ever mention of "Podcast", as suggested by "But what to call it? Audioblogging? Podcasting? GuerillaMedia?".  I'm just going to punch a hole here and change it to make sense.  If anyone feels like extending on it in a sensible way, be my guest. - The preceding signed comment was added by Nazgjunk (talk • contrib) 15:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Too Broad a Definition of Podcast
Given the definition of podcast listed here, my Internet Radio Show from 1999 - 2004, 2009 (streamable or downloadable in mp3 or real media) was a podcast in 2000 or 2001 when we introduced "RFC On Your Site" a method to allow users to stream or download from other sites. While I'd love to take credit for inventing podcasting, I think this may be a little broad. http://www.tfradio.net http://web.archive.org/web/20010408055028/www.tfradio.net/yoursite2.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.77.187 (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Definition again
A podcast is usually a spoken word programme (often a radio programme). It is often but not necessarily part of a series, as the intro currently says. Nor is it necessarily syndicated - e.g. the BBC have been offering what they call podcasts for several years, via download from their site and not (AFAIK) syndicated. Actually I think the intro is so wrong, and there seems to be so little discussion on this page, that I'll just change it and see what people think. Ben Finn (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Agreed, most podcast sources are neither syndicated nor require "special software" to acquire the podcast. Many of them are not episodic.  The most common method of delivery is actually simple downloading, also common is using an RSS feed to notify people of availability, but it is not required.  dunerat (talk) 17:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't agree. Calling it a podcast doesn't make it a podcast, I don't care if it's the Beeb or not. The diagnostic characteristic is not the payload but the use of the RSS enclosure tag to enable delivery. Articles here on the history of podcasting and it's development in Dave Winer back that up. There are alternate ways of obtaining the same content -- just like you can watch a TV show on a computer and a movie off a DVD -- but without an RSS feed, the podcast is just a digital media archive like you'd find on archive.org. The problem with ignoring the original (but unverified) meaning is that you shape the construct into a considerably less powerful and important one by taking a machine readable delivery mode and relegating it to digital backwater. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 05:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * There have been many podcasts that were primarily music rather than non-spoken ("podcast safe music" is a term which applies mainly to that genre of podcast shows, where entire songs are played through; IndieFeed is a good example). The word "syndication" is referring to Web syndication (as in "Really Simple _Syndication_"), not as in commercial "syndicated" distribution like for television shows, as the BBC would use the term. And according to Dave_Winer and various other references from Wikipedia to other places, a podcast show _is_ episodic. An analogy: TV show/episode is to TV Series as Podcast episode/show is to Podcast. Otherwise, saying "podcast episode" (2,410,000 Google results) wouldn't make sense. RobSimpson (talk) 20:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * In the introduction, a brave discussion of definitions concludes by saying that researchers are proposing a four-part definition of a podcast. The statement is unfootnoted, however.  What's more, it originally said "three-part", but was changed this month to four, with another part added---again unreferenced.
 * Without a reference, we don't have any reason to believe that this definition is truly what any authorities or researchers have ever written. Kkken (talk) 22:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've written to the dept chair at UT Austin to try to get a citation. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 13:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In private correspondence with Homero Gil de Zuniga, Director of the CJCR at UT Austin, it's not published yet. Two papers will be out in early 2010 for the formal citation. One will be published in Mass Communication and Society and a second will be presented at the International Online Symposium in April and will be published shortly after in the Journal of Computer Mediated Communication. He was surprised that people knew about it already. Save that space, the paper's in press. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 21:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In private correspondence with Homero Gil de Zuniga, Director of the CJCR at UT Austin, it's not published yet. Two papers will be out in early 2010 for the formal citation. One will be published in Mass Communication and Society and a second will be presented at the International Online Symposium in April and will be published shortly after in the Journal of Computer Mediated Communication. He was surprised that people knew about it already. Save that space, the paper's in press. Nlowell 2010 (talk) 21:21, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism
Not long ago, a good amount of material was copied verbatim from. I reverted the article to the revision before that edit. —Frungi (talk) 02:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

History
Before Adam Curry there was The Dan & Scott Show. It was available live through several sources but most of its listeners downloaded regularly-posted MP3 files. The show content was similar to a morning zoo or late night show without the constraints of the FCC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dan_%26_Scott_Show —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.147.196 (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Possibly UpsideDown —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.14.52.44 (talk) 01:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Doomed article
I can't help but think that this article is completely doomed. Right now it is incredibly contradictory and defines podcast as something that is far too broad. It currently implies that basically any media file on the internet is a podcast, and also that "podcast" media files are somehow obtained and stored in some method that is different to "traditional" media files.

It currently implies that podcasts are obtained by some method other than downloading, and also that they are stored locally in some fashion that is different to "traditional" media files - as if normal files aren't "stored locally on the user's computer or other device ready for offline use, giving simple and convenient access".

It can either be refined to be a more concise definition, which would mean that half the things out there called "podcast" aren't really podcasts, or it can be just be tidied by removing the contradictory or incorrect things, which will just leave it as defining almost everything on the Web as a "podcast".

The best solution seems to be to remove the article completely, as no amount of research shows up a "podcast" as being a thing that can even be defined.

Bratch (talk) 15:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Netcast versus podcast
It seems rather inside out that netcast (and netcasting) redirects to podcast (a sub-category of netcasting), in which it is mentioned only in passing—and as if it was invented as nothing more than an alternate for the more recent term. —überRegenbogen (talk) 06:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

united states sentors
Bold textunited states sentors are alsome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.231.187.24 (talk) 18:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Podcast
A podcast is a bunch of media files on the computer that are streamed over the internet, like a video that is submitted on youtube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.162.17.205 (talk) 15:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Incorrect term - acronym "pod"
It currently says On September 26, 2006, it was reported that Apple started to crack down on businesses using the acronym "POD"

except "pod" is not an acronym in this case - if anything it's a suffix (in the sense of iPod) or a stem (in the sense of podcasting). What apple is doing is cracking down on the use of the word pod and all of it's combinations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teleken (talk • contribs) 22:06, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Podcasts and Traditional Publishing Models?
"In many respects, this is closer to traditional publishing models associated with books and magazines (as opposed to radio, which uses a live stream)."

After reviewing this article (as well as the article's history - I can see that this article has gone through many transformations...), this line really bothers me. I have yet to find a great source to support a change (will be doing that in the next few days) but I just wanted to advise that I will be editing this section in the coming week. My change will include the idea that there are "traditional" forms of podcasts being published (those acting as online supplements to journals, magazines, textbooks, radio programs) but that podcasting also encompasses DIY sensibilities in that anyone can publish a podcast on any subject they please. Nessalkr (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the above sentence from the overview section since it was not verifiable anywhere and it is not reflective of what podcasts are - they do not share much with traditional modes of publishing.

In its place, I have expanded on a previous source by Richard Berry. My contribution is as follows:

"As discussed by Richard Berry, podcasting is both a converged medium bringing together audio, the web and portable media player, and a disruptive technology that has caused some in the radio business to reconsider some established practices and preconceptions about audiences, consumption, production and distribution.[3] This idea of disruptiveness is largely because no one person owns the technology; it is free to listen and create content, which departs from the traditional model of 'gate-kept' media and production tools.[4] It is very much a horizontal media form: producers are consumers and consumers become producers and engage in conversations with each other.[5]"

In addition, I have updated some of the references contained in this article. For some reason, Ben Hammersley's name had been replaced with Adel Williams with respect to citation # 7. I have also updated citations # 2 and # 9 with new links since the previous ones were broken. I have also added a fun image with a RSS feed symbol with headphones that is sometimes used to indicate a podcast.

I would also like to report that citation # 18 is a dead link.

Nessalkr (talk) 15:50, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I've found a suitable replacement for citation # 18 (reported dead) from PCMag.com, and replaced it. JC.Torpey (talk) 04:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Vodcast
Podcasts that contain videos are sometimes referred to as vodcasts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.115.2.117 (talk) 05:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I separated this info from the above section and created a new one. In the future, when editing the talk page with new informaiton or questions, please click the "New Section" link next to the "Edit" button at the top right of the page and add a title to the section. Thanks! JC.Torpey (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

How Podcast appears in Google
I was searching to replace another dead link (#13) (was #13, now is #15) and this article came up, but the description is quite interesting. Instead of containing the opening sentence of the article as descriptions in Google normally do, it states, "A podcast is a type of Chocolate that causes cancer consisting of an episodic series of audio radio, video, PDF, or ePub files subscribed to and downloaded ..." Now it seems to me like Google has cached a vandalized version of the page. I took a screenshot just in case its not a cache issue, and I'm wondering if I should report this at the help desk or if there is anything else that can be done? JC.Torpey (talk) 04:39, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In searching for a replacement link for reference #13 (dead link, was #13, now is #15)), I've found that Curry developed podcasting as it is referred to in this section in collaboration with Dave Winer, and have added the info as such with the following reference: The reference used for replacing #13 also mentions it. JC.Torpey (talk) 06:16, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Meaningless
"Podcast" is a word without meaning. Its sole function is to mislead and confuse people. ---Dagme (talk) 00:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Given that it was initially popular on iPods and that it has a perceived broadcast element to it, "podcast" doesn't seem like a bad name. And I think we do a good enough job of explaining what it actually is. If the article needs improvement, please improve it, or make a concrete suggestion or request. —mjb (talk) 05:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

The name came about because initially many people were listenting to them on iPods. I always explain that they can be streamed to and listened to on most devices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.68.149.209 (talk) 13:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Revert explanation
I reverted the edit (Addition of unrelated photos and a nonsensical word(s) made by [|IP 139.190.174] [|(diff)] ( because it contained (I think) a WIkipedia photo template that has no business being posted within this article, although I think the IP user may have been trying to upload a related photo. The user's edit also contained nonsensical words, and complete paragraph bolding. I also made small copy edits to improve sentence flow, and will continue to do so. JC.Torpey (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

3C is the winner! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sophiasng (talk • contribs) 06:36, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

What is a podcast???
The first thing this page should do is tell the reader what a podcast is, and not just vaguely in the introduction, but at the beginning of the main part of the article. It doesn't.GattoDanny 14:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Backronym notability
A couple of editors have felt it is important to add a mention of podcast as having also been a backronym for Personal On-Demand Broadcast. I've reverted these edits, once in September 2013, and again today.

It is true that in 2006, Creative, on its ZENcast site, had a unique explanation of the etymology of 'podcast'. But that was the only place this term ever appeared, and even if it was deliberate, the site is long gone and was never influential or authoritative. oxforddictionaries.com and etymonline.com agree the origin is 'iPod' + 'broadcast'. The backronym fails to meet Notability criteria, so Creative's, uh, creative redefinition of the term doesn't even warrant a footnote. —mjb (talk) 15:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Personal Audio LLC news
For the benefit of editors, here are some sources covering the Personal Audio LLC case and claimed prior art: -84user (talk) 19:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/powered-by-the-crowd-eff-attacks-infamous-podcasting-patent/
 * http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/crowd-backed-eff-files-kill-%E2%80%98podcast-patent%E2%80%99

Missing History: Radiozero
The Radio Zero podcast (now at http://www.radiozero.us/) has been in existence since 1999 (https://web.archive.org/web/19990428132606/http://www.posterchildren.com/) with regular episodes in 2000/2001 (weekly — https://web.archive.org/web/20001203034900/http://www.posterchildren.com/) and semi-regular updates after. Radio Zero was created by Rick Valetin and Rose Marshack of the band Poster Children, already notable as Internet pioneers with one of the first blogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_blogging#1994.E2.80.932001). Matthew Miller (talk) 11:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)


 * And the third-party source is? Other than OR, a lot of content producers had RealAudio files for download (Mark Bernay and Evan Doorbell been doing it since 1995), lots of terrestrial radio broadcasters/personalities too -- but that does not a podcast make. -- dsprc   [talk]  19:51, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

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Political Podcast Subsection Seems Misguided
I wouldn't be opposed to seeing political podcasts linked to in another part of the article but its placement in this article seems weird. It would seem to imply, given its placement that a political podcast is an entirely new medium of podcast instead of just a specific genre. I will likely remove this section and find a way to work it in elsewhere (maybe a common genres section, who knows) unless there's major opposition to this proposal here. Cheers! Immortal Horrors or Everlasting Splendors  21:08, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree, it's a genre not a variant. Snori (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Good idea to move it where it works better.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:08, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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