Talk:Pokémon—Zoroark: Master of Illusions

They will be in another movie after Phantom Z
This movie is going to only have Raikou, Entei, Suicune and Celebi as the major characters that dictate the events of this movie. Watching the Japanese Trailer on the official website it obviously does not show Lugia and Ho-oh.

This means that the coming movie as being suggested contains Celebi and the legendary dogs as the major characters only. This meaning that Lugia and Ho-oh will appear in a completely separate movie afterward. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberencyclopedia (talk • contribs) 12:04, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Not Exactly. You see, That's the First Non-teaser Trailer. It may change with More Footage. Look at the 12th Movie, for example.Alpha`s Arceus:Are You Siding with the Humans?! 15:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha`s Arceus (talk • contribs)

"Z" revealed
Early leaked scans of CoroCoro show "Z" to be new 5th gen Pokémon Roroark [] Tphi (talk) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's too bad we cannot use these as reliable sources until the CoroCoro issue actually comes out. None of the "Zorua" or "Zoroark" information should be added to this article until the official website updates and we get official information instead of just leaks from Futaba Channel or 2ch.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 00:09, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been revealed. Serebii confirms it. Bulbapedia even has pages for them.-- Origin Poke  05:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither Serebii.net nor Bulbapedia can be used as reliable sources.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 05:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Move?
Phantom Ruler Z → Pokémon: Phantom Ruler Zoroark —
 * The full title was confirmed by CoroCoro, a reliable source. --J4\/4 &lt;talk&gt; 01:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There seems to be uncertainty here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The CoroCoro issue where this information is supposedly in has not yet been released as far as I am aware. Images were leaked, but that is not official. Also, as this is the Japanese production, this page should not include "Pokémon" in the title just like every other film was treated. Once an official title is released by a concrete reliable source that is not random scans posted to Futaba with no other information, then the page will be moved to that title, which is likely to be "Phantom Ruler Zoroark".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 11:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Support: CoroCoro is official. --Jean-Luc Pikachu (talk) 17:32, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The problem isn't whether CoroCoro qualifies as a reliable source; the problem is that the particular CoroCoro issue in question hasn't actually been released yet. Until said issue is released, there is a slight possibility that the Zoroark info could be changed or removed. For that reason, it would be wise to wait until either the issue actually does come out or the Zoroark info appears at an official Pokémon site, whichever comes first. Remember, fan sites do not count as reliable sources. -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk ) 19:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC) (Comment edited at 19:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC))
 * Oppose for now, though I would support a move to Pokémon: Phantom Ruler Z. First, I find it odd that a Pokémon film would not incorporate "Pokémon" into the title to clearly identify the film as part of the franchise. All other Pokémon films have "Pokémon" in the title in some faction.. Second the title Phantom Ruler Zoroark reportedly comes form an unpublished source. Until something is published, it can't be verified. Now I don't know where the current title comes from, but I do not thing there is any harm in waiting until the facts are published. —Farix (t &#124; c) 19:49, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl film though. When all of the other films were not yet released in Japanese theaters or even after they were in Japanese theaters, we did not include "Pokémon" in the title of the article nor did we include "Pocket Monsters [Whichever]" in the title of the article. It's not a "Pokémon:" film until the American script is applied.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 23:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Until Coro-Coro actually comes out or the film's website is updated (whichever happens first), it should stay as is; leaked pages have been altered before the time of actual publication before. We can wait a few days. Farix, the "Pokémon" addition at the beginning of the title is typically a dub addition; as far as my knowledge is aware, the Japanese titles simply does not usually add such a thing (though if they do, it would be "Pocket Monsters" instead of "Pokémon"). MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 23:37, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Now
Now, CoroCoro Comic, the official Pokémon website, and the official movie website have been updated. I will contact the administrator who performed the initial protection and have him move the page. I will also delist the move request. The page will be moved to "Phantom Ruler: Zoroark", as there's a space between "Gen'ei no Hasha" and "Zoroāku".— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 05:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Why? Wikipedia follows English-language usage, not Japanese-language usage. Ucucha 05:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * But there's no English-language title as of yet, only a Japanese one. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 05:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't Move
I'm not trying to be mean, but what fell on your guys head? You honestly think EBAY, a site that sells stuff is going to confirm a movie title? Really? Now, I'm not saying it's false necessarily, but we can't use ebay as a source. --Shadow (talk) 15:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Correct, a film poster on eBay that has since been taken down (a news leak) is not a reliable source. There's no deadline for this content to be added.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 19:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Renaming...
Should this now be named to "Zoroark: Ruler of Illusions"? Seeing the official English title is confirmed and it is for 2011 release, we need to vote if this needs to be renamed. Also, it needs more sources.Blackgaia02 (talk) 14:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you not see the section right above this? It is not confirmed by an reliable sources. --Shadow (talk) 23:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no source for the official English title. So it's staying here till then.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon: Zoroark: Master of Illusions has been officially announced!
Pokémon.com has revealed not only the three shiny legendary Pokémon that will be available at GameStop, but they have also revealed the 13th movie as "Pokémon: Zoroark: Master of Illusions". Which means... that poster that was found on Ebay months ago... was actually a REAL leak of the official English poster. Which is quite surprising, because I could just feel that it was the real deal, I could even feel that it wasn't fake at all. Wow!

So yeah, anyways... we'll also have to add in the information that the official poster was leaked on Ebay because PokéBeach surely did reveal that information so early and all that when the poster was actually leaked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Platinum Lucario (talk • contribs) 01:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No. We don't need to mention anything about the poster leak.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:54, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't it be mentioned? Some people know about the leak, the poster is exactly the same as the poster that was shown on PokéBeach. Except only the words "All-New Pokémon Movie Coming in 2011!" was the difference. (Platinum Lucario (talk) 02:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Because it can't be reliably sourced and also it's entirely unimportant to the article as a whole.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 02:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok I understand. Incase you didn't know, the release date for Pokémon: Zoroark: Master of Illusions has been announced for a release of February 2011.(Platinum Lucario (talk) 03:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC))
 * Do you have a source for that other than the leaked poster?— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 04:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do have the source for the official release date in America, might not say the exact date, but here it is: The release date is set for a release of February 2011 in America. It does not say if it's the DVD release or the airing for Cartoon Network.(Platinum Lucario (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC))
 * The exact date has been found elsewhere.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 04:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Colleen O'Shaughnessey
Where is the proof for that? Colleen is a L.A. based voice actress, Pokémon is recorded in New York. --Shadow (talk) 22:23, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

This is the 5th film to include Pokémon from a succeeding generation
Pokémon the Movie 2000, Pokémon: Heroes: The Movie, Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, and Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea, all have Pokémon from a succeeding generation. Pokémon the Movie 2000 has Lugia, Pokémon: Heroes: The Movie has Latios and Latias, Lucario and the Mystery of Mew has Lucario and Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea has Manaphy.

Lugia is a second generation Pokémon but is featured in the first generation arc of the anime. Latios and Latias are third generation Pokémon and were beyond Gold and Silver. Lucario and Manaphy are both fourth generation Pokémon but both included into the story plot with the third generation characters, May & Max.

Seeing as Ranger's is the last film to be part of the Advance Generation Pokémon anime series and Manaphy is infact a fourth generation Pokémon, Zoroark: Master of Illusions is the fifth not the fourth film to include Pokémon from a succeeding generation into the main story plot. JamesAlan1986 (talk) 06:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Your point? Speculation and trivia are not allowed on Wikipedia. All content must also be able to be referenced by a reliable source. Thanks, Blake (Talk·Edits) 17:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Speculation?
"There is now speculation that either Nintendo or its counterpart The Pokémon Company has arranged some sort of agreement with Nintendo UK as Pokémon Black and White were released in the UK 2 days before the US, the Nintendo 3DS also arrived in the UK 2 days before the US, and now the 13th movie will be released in the UK before the US."

Is this unsourced material really necessary? Things come out in the UK before they do in the US all the time! We're talking about a few days here. It's really not that noteworthy that around 2 paragraphs should be included in the lead section about it! --tblack93 Talk · Contributions 23:30, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

This movie's title ain't lying!
I know this is just random bs but has anyone else gone to go get this when it came out and NO stores have it? JamesAlan1986 *talk 17:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)