Talk:Pokémon/Archive 4

Christmas/holidays
pokemon supports christmas and christianity with the CD, christmas Bash. this causes controversy from non-christioan groups. should this be added under Controversy? i'm new and trying the language. BrainiacMatt (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Proof? No proof, we can't verify or add it. -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 19:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll rephrase myself: Find a newspaper article or news article that states or agrees with what you're saying. Until one is found, we can not add this to the article. -Jéské ( Blah  v^_^v ) 20:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Archive 3
Thanks MelicansMatkin for creating archive #3! New year, new archive, and a fresh talk page! Cheers, Face 13:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Monster In My Pocket
A large section with statements labeled unreferenced since February 2007 was recently removed (by another editor). I don't know whether this was truely appropriate or not, but in any case I think discussion on those claims is warranted. Strangely, there seems to be no discussion about this in any of the past archives.

One of the claims was that Nintendo chose the name "Pokemon" in the US instead of "Pocket Monsters" like in Japan because of a lawsuit brought by the holders of the trademark "Monster In My Pocket". It's strange there wouldn't be more discussion over this, because as a person who was a fan of this franchise when it first came to the US (I was in middle school), I remember this controversy; possibly because I also remember playing the "Monster In My Pocket" NES game some years before that!

Unfortunately, this controversy is ancient in internet terms - 1998, that's like 4 years after the birth of the web! - and so I can't find many sources on this, and so even though I personally remember this issue, I'd have to agree we need to dig up some information before including it in the article

The best I could find was this article from 2001

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_46_23/ai_80165415

It would support a claim like "Pokemon was originally called Pocket Monsters before coming to the United States in 1998", and another claim that there was a lawsuit over this trademark (Note that the judge ruled in Nintendo's favor, so I suspect they could have used Pocket Monsters in the US if they chose), but to claim one implied the other would be speculative (original research) even though it seems likely.

Anyone care to help digging up information? It's a little difficult since most of the results are archived (often old) versions of this article itself! Wikipedia is a victim of its own success in that regard. - TheBilly (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear TheBilly,

I personally do not believe that Nintendo ever planned to call the franchise "Pocket Monsters" in America. So far, apart from your article, I have found 4 additional sources about this, but they seem to contradict each other.

First of all, an article on gamingtarget.com and an academic case study about Pokémon mention the name "Pocket Monsters". The first one states:

"'Poketto Monsutaa debuted in Japan where Nintendo published and released the Game Freak creation in February 1996. Poketto Monsutaa is translated to Pocket Monsters in English, but that would have to change to the popular contraction Pokemon once the game was exported to other countries. This was because in the 1990s, Morrison Entertainment Group established a brand called “Monsters in My Pocket,” which sounds similar to Pocket Monsters. However, despite Nintendo’s name change, Morrison sued anyway and lost.'"

The latter one, however, states:

"'The original title printed on the game cartridge and box was 'Pocket Monsters.' As this name has potentially salacious connotations in English, the abbreviated 'Pokemon' was used as the general name.'"

The case study does not mention the Monster In My Pocket suit. Instead, it says that Nintendo never even wanted to name its newest franchise Pocket Monster, because it has "potentially salacious connotations". Sounds dubious, but the extreme cultural adaptation of the anime for the North-American market is well-documented: every detail that could remind children about sex was removed.

Both texts do not verify these statements unfortunately. However, if I would choise which one to believe, I would choise the case study, because it was written for a course in consumer behaviour by someone who was, at that time, an assistant professor at the Emerson College. It is a very detailed paper about the history of Pokémon and uses a lot references. By contrast, the article on gamingtarget.com does not lists its sources, and only a small part of it is about Pokémon's history.

As for the lawsuit, I have found two other sources about it. The latter quotes directly from the opinion of the court:

"'The marks are significantly different in sight and sound. The two marks look very different when written out as text. Pokemon is a single word with seven letters and an accented e. In contrast, Monster in My Pocket contains four separate words, two of which begin with m.'"

Both texts imply that the suit was not about the name "Pocket Monsters" at all. I think Morrison actually claimed that the name "Pokémon" was the problem.

Unless someone asks some Nintendo official, we can not be sure about this. However, my opinion is that we have too little proof to assume that Nintendo wanted it's franchise to be called "Pocket Monsters", and to much proof to refute this. So in short: I say we do not make this claim in the article.

Hope this helped.

Cheers, Face 22:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Chile's "Pokemon Subculture"
The consensus building process has now been violated twice, despite my asking objecting parties to explain the addition of this poorly sourced paragraph instead of edit-warring over it. First of all, I speak enough Spanish to know that this "source" is not claiming that a "Pokemon Subculture" exists. The "source" does not seem to support or make notable much of text being inserted into the article. Secondarily, this is a blog. It doesn't matter if it's hosted on a newspaper website, it's a blog. I see no evidence of editorial review or authority in this piece, and it does not appear to be making sensible claims - not to mention, no one is doing a good job of contextualizing or translating this "source" - what does this mean: People from Pokémon subculture claim that they're different to emos in that they not predict with the depressing thematical. ?? So does anyone actually want to discuss this, or just edit war over it? --Cheeser1 (talk) 19:09, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * According to a footnote from WP:SPS (the self-published source policy):

Some newspapers host interactive columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control. Where a news organization publishes the opinions of a professional but claims no responsibility for the opinions, the writer of the cited piece should be attributed (e.g. "Jane Smith has suggested..."). Posts left by readers may never be used as sources.

Thus, the El Mercurio blog would technically be considered acceptable source; I will assume good faith, seeing your interpretation of Wikipedia's no-sourcing-blogs policy as a little misunderstanding. I do agree, however, that the subculture claim should be cleaned up a little. However, since this such Chilean claim is supported for now only by this Spanish-language site, it does raise up concerns over WP:RSUE. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I see no evidence that "the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control." It just seems to exist as part of their site. Perhaps I'm missing some Spanish small print, but it looks like blog-musings to me (and some pretty far-fetched ones at that). --Cheeser1 (talk) 03:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Very well then. I removed the edit for now...also exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and I'm doubtful that just one sub-translated El Mercurio questionable Spanish-language blog post is gonna make the alleged "subculture" notable. --Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Some pictures that may prove that the existence of this subculture has been acknowledged by Chilean media... I have no idea which tv show these came from, though:  Esn (talk) 16:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here are some more from a more reliable source: . Time to reinstate this section, maybe? Esn (talk) 16:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again, a photogallery from a Chinese newspaper about Chilean kids who call their little hipster clique "Pokemon" for no apparent reason (they aren't playing Pokemon, they're wearing makeup and wacky hair and dancing at clubs) - this does not make a subculture. Even if this is what they call their little clique, how is it relevant to this article? I could name my dog "Pokemon" but that doesn't make it related to Pokemon. --Cheeser1 (talk) 16:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * But this isn't someone's dog, this is a social group, and China Daily is a major newspaper. How is this different from chavs? You say "this doesn't make a subculture". If it's your word against that of a major newspaper, I'm going to go with the newspaper. Esn (talk) 03:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the China Daily is considered reliable. Unfortunately, the article itself is just a gallery of six seemingly unrelated pictures. I also fail to understand what this 'subculture' has to do with Pokémon/Pokemon itself. If you manage to find an actual informative article about this, I'll consider including it into the article. - Face 12:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done a quick search myself now. The only thing I found were a small number of YouTube videos via this blog post (google translation). This and this are examples of these videos. I've posted a message on both asking if someone could give some English explanation. - Face 13:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There's also a long article in the Spanish-language Uncyclopedia (here). I acknowledge that there is currently a problem of finding sources (although the China Daily article should be proof enough that it is at least considered a fashion style - I don't know why Cheeser1 removed that, honestly).  But you know the saying: "where there is smoke, there is usually fire", and there is currently a hell of a lot of smoke.  Just google for "pokemon chile" and see how many references to an emo-like subculture you find.  It seems that Cheeser's main objection is that this group calls themselves "Pokemon" and he can't figure out why.  He wants to retain control of the word "Pokemon" and prevent it from being appropriated by a shady subculture. But isn't our job to report what's there, rather than to wish it wasn't?  I'm sure that the millions of people who for centuries had decorated their woven baskets with swastikas in India didn't much like the Nazi appropriation of the symbol.  Yet there it was.  I assume that there's a good reason why the name "Pokemon" sprung up for them (which, a Chilean friend tells me, is both what they call themselves and the word that others use as an insult).  A combination of otaku culture imitation with trying to be "unique" is my guess.  I hope that eventually we'll find a good article that talks about this.  But until then, we should at least mention this to the extent that the available sources allow us. Esn (talk) 07:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is another mention of the "pokemones subculture" in the Mullet (haircut) article. Esn (talk) 07:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Please familiarize yourself with our policy on original research, particularly synthesis. If this is based on your guess, and has no substantive relationship to the subject of this article, then it doesn't belong here. Please also try not to make unfounded accusations of my lording over the article when I am simply asking you to follow our content policies. And try not to jump straight into the Nazi analogies. It's a little early for that. --Cheeser1 (talk) 07:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added a sentence back in that is devoid of original research. Esn (talk) 08:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do not reinsert contested material back into the article. It disrupts the consensus building process and doesn't do much to affirm our assumptions of good faith we might have given you. Please also note that you did not restrict yourself to what was given in the captions for this image gallery (not that an image gallery constitutes journalism that could substantiate sociological analysis). --Cheeser1 (talk) 08:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I did. Please explain what was in my sentence that was not in the article which I used to cite it. Also, what exactly are you objecting to? Are you objecting that China Daily is a reliable source, or are you objecting notability?  Esn (talk) 08:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Or are you saying that a long article by China Daily is notable, but a short one is not? Esn (talk) 09:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears as though you are having trouble with our notability policy, which tells us about what we can create articles about, not about what we can put into articles, and certainly not about which sources we can use. Please familiarize yourself with these polices. Please also note that the China Daily article is certainly not a source of sociological analysis, and it does not make use of the term "subculture," nor does it really establish any link (besides the name) between the subject of this article and the text you keep inserting (if anything, try creating Pokémon (subculture) and see how quickly it gets CSD'd). And for future reference, please don't cite the Uncyclopedia - it doesn't make your argument look very persuasive. --Cheeser1 (talk) 09:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, you win. I'll just quietly disappear now. From this article, anyway. I'll work at making the Pokémon (subculture) article worthy (though I wish I had some help from someone who understood Spanish). If anyone adds this information to the main Pokemon article again, it will not be me. Esn (talk) 10:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You actually created Pokémon (subculture)?! OMG..... Well, I guess we'll continue this discussion at the appropriate talk page then. - Face 12:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I know, there is a jaw shaped hole in my desk. I was in the middle of writing an olive-branch reply to his "okay you win" sulky thing when I noticed this ridiculous creation of an article that I obviously wasn't really telling him to go create. --Cheeser1 (talk) 12:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I object to being accused of disrupting wikipedia to illustrate a point. This was not my intention. Esn (talk) 12:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Just to let casual onlookers know, the result of the AfD for Pokémon (subculture) was keep. Esn (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

The hidden comment
I know I screwed up big time. I should have added the hidden note UNDER the redirect note. But I said that if I was reverted I would discuss it, so now that I'm watching, I will gladly discuss.

Look at this:



This would be great for one of the first few lines. It might need rewording if you want.

But think about it. Even when Semi-Protected this article is still being vandalized a lot. Most of them are "Pokémon is for faggots", "Only a loser likes Pokémon" and bullshit like that.

I apologize for using such a strong word, but I really think that's the best way to describe such vandalism.

Anyway my point is, I think the note is needed, because I'm sick off "Pokémon is for loser/faggots" vandalism. And Semi-Protection isn't stopping it from coming. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Then request full-protection for a bit. -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 01:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked that should only be used when there is a huge edit war going on. I really think that the hidden note is the best solution. Tell you what, if I get no objections before Monday I will add it on Monday. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Full-protection is also used if semi-protection is ineffective at curbing vandalism (example: Mudkip and its associated pages). -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 01:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll be more specific, I think that idea isn't gonna work out because there are plenty of good editors editing this page. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't change the fact that I don't find the problem big enough to have that protection, besides this isn't a discussion about whether or not the page should be protected, we are discussing whether or not this hidden note should be here. And I don't get you, your comments give me no clue whatsoever whether or not that note should be here. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 19:17, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, we had a comment line like that some time ago, but I can't remember why it was removed. Anyway, add it if you want to. I don't think there's any harm in it, even though it won't stop most of the vandals of course. As for the message itself, maybe you could add some more WikiLove:

...article begins here.

How's that? - Face 13:02, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't like that wording, the first line is quite weird. How about this?




 * Well, the old one kinda sucks, disaffection? What the hell? I'm sorry, but I don't really like the first line of your version.


 * Ok, this needs more discussion. Tomorrow isn't good enough. We shall not add it to the article unless we can come with something we all can agree on. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that's a good idea, but it won't change anything. Because of the increasing popularity of Pokemon, someone is bound to try and come here and vandalize the article. And what's stopping the vandals? Everyone knows that this site can be changed by anyone with internet. Unless you put on a full block, nothing will really help.65.223.58.226 (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

- Face 10:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have merged the in my opinion two best sentences and added a third one. I think the message should: 1. be short and simple; 2. make clear that you're being watched; 3. mention the consequences. How about this:
 * Perfect. Al right, added it. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

You keep clean language right now! Pokèmon stuff on Wikipedia is not opinional expression. If you're going to do that, do it on a fourm.

how's that? Huh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidude57 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I personally like the current one better. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:52, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon glitches (Missingno.)
I SERIOUSLY think Missingno should have its own article right now. It isn't identified as a glitch for most pokemon experts (like me)! We must take action or suffer! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikidude57 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're such an expert, it shouldn't be much problem for you to find a source. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Blazikenmaster, you are rude. Wikidude57  Pika!  22:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See this: WP:No personal attacks, I was just pointing out that you need to show reliable source in order to make it have its own article. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 22:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The only way to get this notable enough is to find reliable sources, oh and try not to call anyone rude for any reason in the future, instead discuss why you disagree. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Missingno (and its incarnations throughout the series) once had a page with the rest of the Pokémon game "glitches", but the article lost an AfD argument. -Jéské ( Blah v^_^v ) 21:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think that Missingno should have its own page, but I am definitly up for adding some more information. Some pictures would be nice also. There is a picture from a website, although it is just one of those "post whatever you want" sites. I'm not sure if I can say the name, so I won't. I copied the picture, and could easily refind the artist. But don't misunderstand me, Missingno appears on the art as it does in the game. I also think that reearch should be done on why there is a missingno. This may be speculation, and I'm terriblty sorry if it is but if someone wanted to research it then I would like to help them, but I read somewhere (it may have been a chatroom for what I remember) that Missingno is required to fill in the #000 space before Bulbasaur, etc. Once again, sorry if it is speculation.--TriCheeseSorrow (talk) 04:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, welcome to Wikipedia! As for why MissingNo appears: in short, it's just a bunch of player data stored at the wrong place, putted there when viewing the demonstration of the old man in Viridian. MissingNo means "Missing Number". There are several sites about this issue, this one for example being one of the best known. Indeed, like you said, MissingNo doesn't deserve an article, just like the other glitches and most of the Pokémon in my opinion. It does have two paragraphs though: one at the Pokémon video game series, and one at the Pokémon Red and Blue article. Interest for these sections has runned out, so if you would like to write some info, your help is greatly appreciated! As long as you keep it constructive of course. - Face 19:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Distinguish
A very common occurrence and seems to happen frequently between the two series is confusion of the distinction of one from another. Would anyone object if i added to the top of the article? Simply south (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't mind. -  Jéské  ( v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife ) 04:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't confuse the two, but I can see how other people might, so perhaps the tag is appropriate. Useight (talk) 17:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Come on! How are people going to confuse the wildly popular Pokémon with the marginally successful Digimon? Pokemon is simply too popular to be confused with anything else nowadays. Kreachure (talk) 00:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Not true, actually. I know some kids who easily confuse the two. In fact, one of my friends recently began watching Pokemon because they thought it was Digimon. 204.147.20.1 (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Giratina and the Sky's Bouqet: Shaymin
I have found that the actual title for the 11th movie is Giratina and the Sky's Bouqet: Shaymin. However, I appear to be unable to edit the article. Could someone please change this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grasspuff (talk • contribs) 19:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, Grasspuff. I think you mean the following article? Giratina to Sora no Hanataba: Sheimi. There have been some dispute about the title, so moving the article is currently disabled. Editing the article is still possible though, so I do not understand why you should not be able to do so. Cheers, Face 08:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason of the move protection is that "Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet: Shaymin" is just one of many fan translations of the Japanese title. There has not yet been an English title released, and there likely won't be an English title until next year.  Because there is no official English translation of Giratina to Sora no Hanataba: Sheimi, the Japanese title is the one being used in the article's name.  Unfortunately, some people did not seem to understand this and so the ability to move the article was disabled for all members.  There is no edit protection or semi-protection that I am aware of, so you should be able to edit the actual article without any problems. MelicansMatkin (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Bulbipeadia....
Bulbipidea has alot more stuff than this artical should we ask bulbipeadia if we can use some of their artical. Poohman0 (talk) 02:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * More stuff on what? That project, no offense, practically lives on what this encyclopedia would consider cruft.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 07:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Further, Wikipedia and Bulbapedia have incompatible licenses (we cannot use material that is CC-by-SA-NC). -  Jéské  ( v^_^v  Detarder ) 06:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I noticed how there are two different pronunciations shown. The second I don't think is valid, because 1) it should be the same as the japanese pronunciation and 2) because the acute grave on the é is not pronounced with a hard "E" (ee, or IPA: /i/) Someone want to check that over? Sparky-sama (talk) 03:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The right pronouncion is the one in the anime. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 09:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That being said. I don't think I've ever heard in the Japanese (or English[except for the first few episodes, where it was completely off,]) series of the second pronunciation with /i/, Maybe there was one person or so who pronounces it like that, using nonstandard Japanese pronunciation, but, unless the main seiyuus are using a constant articulation, I don't really know how the second can really be valid? That being said, in other languages (ie: Chinese) it is pronounced as "pɒkimɒn."  I dunno, maybe I missed something. Sparky-sama (talk) 16:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The correct pronounciation is (for lack of fluency in IPA) "Poe-kay-mon". Thunderboom (talk) 17:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * All English speakers obviously know how to pronounce Japanese words with an English accent. Wouldn't it be more useful to present the Japanese pronunciation of the Japanese word? That is, list the IPA as "pokemoɴ". (212.247.11.156 (talk) 20:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC))

Tripp
I am very smart at pokemon. I can name a pokemon if I see it's picture and I can describe a pokemon if I see or hear its name. So if you say Venusaur I will be able to say that it evolves from Ivysaur and from Bulbasaur. It has 4 legs and its type is grass/poison. It has a plant growing out of its back and the plant is reddish pink with yellow dots and a brown stem. Its shiny form has a yellowy orange colour and white dots. It is 87.5% male and 12.5% female. That means I am very smart at pokemon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.42.207.70 (talk • contribs) at 21:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I suggest you go to Bulbapedia then, they could use your smart brain. This is a page to improve the article, not to discuss the subject, but it's ok if you did a mistake. After all, most people don't spend enough time on Wikipedia to know how stuff works around here. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 23:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Arceus vs. Mewtwo addition
Can a section about Pokemon supremacy debate (ie. Arceus vs. Mewtwo) be appropriately added? Wiki4120 (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion, but such debates are too fancrufty to add to Wikipedia. Maybe you should go to Bulbapedia instead. It has all the Pokémon in-universe info you could think of. Cheers, Face 07:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

some religious content in a pokemon episode
Wednesday, April 23, 2008: I have seen an episode in the original Pokemon series about Ash and the team going on a cruise ship and sunk. They later came back up and found team rocket and actually thought up of a way to find land. They used a part of Noah's ark in the bible (but used pidgyoto instead of a dove). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferrariguy1000 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Thursday, April 24th, 2008: undo reason: if this is because I did'nt sign it, but if you need proof, let me look for it. Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlRmnVZEmug&feature=related, go to 4 minutes, 42 seconds.signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 01:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: if none of this is the reason, you have the right to delete, anyway tell me the reason if none of the above are the reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferrariguy1000 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 25 April 2008 (UTC)  sory, i'm new and i'm not use to signing. anyway, signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 01:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * oops, wrong video, Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRq0iCg8gC8&feature=related, look at 4:42. Signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 02:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * So... what is it exactly that you want? Can I help you with something? - Face 07:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I want to show proof that pokemon is not all saintinstic. signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 18:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean saintinistic like a saint, or satanic? - Face 19:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * satanic. signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 20:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * um..i got this...ahem. Pokemon isnt satanic at all. Duh...thank you all and have a nice day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.154.240.132 (talk) 00:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, Ferarri, the source of the story is irrelevant. There are probably other stories/myths with a similar deed done.  Not only that, but we cannot accept sites which host possible copyright violations as sources (as that would make us accessories to the deed). And 69., there has been accusations by the religious right that Pokémon is satanic due to several things that are present in the games - so much so the Holy See had to exonerate it. -  Jéské   ( v^_^v  Bodging WP edit by edit ) 01:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk:List of Pokémon (441-460) needs some attention.
So please comment on that talk page, I can't discuss this with an unregisted user alone. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't have a discussion with that IP alone anymore, I don't even know how to explain that cons. has been reached. Especially since the IP took the word "everyone" too literally in my opinion. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm copying this section to the Pokémon talk page, since this wikiproject is deserted. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I replied on Talk:List of Pokémon (441-460). Cheers, Face 18:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Another aspect
One more contronvertial aspect. After hearing the Pokèmon theme song some people online have put it in reverse amd claimed they heard "Satanic" lyrics such "love Satan" or "he marries me". Should we put that in the article or not?--Angel David Commune with heaven My Angel Gifts 14:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC) Besides, the Pokémon animé has had several theme songs throughout its run, thus Pokémon has no one theme song. -  Jéské  ( v^_^v  E pluribus unum ) 17:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No; that is original research, and backmasking is widely seen as (a) controversial and (b) if not deliberate, someone looking for what they already "know" is in there (i.e. someone looking for Satanic cues is going to find them, while people looking for dog chow ads are going to find them), meaning that we can't use them anyhow.

Kansas banned Pokemon in 2007
http://www.dailygaming.net/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=202

Wow! just wow!--Dark paladin x (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that banning is crap, but it could fit somewhere into "Criticism and controversy". TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 18:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

"Soon religious groups were organizing protests outside their local school systems and flooding politicians, and especially the board of education, with angry letters demanding that Pokemon be permanently banned from the schools. Many Kansas churches also held events geared towards encouraging children to drop the game, ranging from several “Pokemon burnings” where copies of the games were thrown into large bonfires, to programs that provided students with a free Bible for every game they turned in to church authorities. Still other church groups, recognizing the addictive nature of video games, have started voluntary support groups for children where they can admit to their video game addiction and give over their life to a higher power in order to remain Pokemon free for the rest of their lives." Really... WTF!? - Face 18:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There are two comments on that article. The first one reads: "Pokeman [sic] Article Utterly False. Posted by Kansas Department of Education on Thursday, April 5, 2007. We hope you were not duped into believing the Pokeman article posted on April 3. It is totally fictitious." The second person says: "I couldn't say i believe it". Indeed, it's hard to believe this isn't a hoax, because the whole article simply is... amazing. One section I particularly liked:


 * Ok, just took a better at the website itself. It is indeed, as I suspected, a hoax site, see here. It's almost annoying how easily I was tricked into almost believing this trash :-(. Cheers, Face 19:08, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, and I was right about the banning being a total crap. More right than I thought, since it is a hoax site, it shouldn't be used as source. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 21:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Can anyone find a more reliable to confirm if this is true or not?--Dark paladin x (talk) 03:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact a hoaxite is reporting it precludes its veracity to begin with, much like we couldn't report that British Columbia was annexed if The Onion reported it. -  Jéské  ( v^_^v  E pluribus unum ) 03:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of all Pokémon CD articles
Following Blaziken's idea, here's a heads up for this. Please reply. Cheers, Face 18:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Non-notable, fail WP:MUSIC Ultra! 19:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait just a minute, how is it MY idea? TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh well, you did so here to draw more attention, so I did the same. Thanks, Face 13:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

shinnoh
In shinnoh you get 3 starters chimchar piplup and turtwig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.170.156 (talk) 04:25, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it is in the main starters article. The template is there for a reason, that kind of information doesn't belong on this already-long article. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon controversy article
What does everyone think of there being an article for all the controversy of Pokémon? This would include:


 * 1) Religious controversy
 * 2) Pokémon card controversy
 * 3) Individual Pokémon controversy (namely Kadabra, Jynx, Ludicolo, etc.)
 * 4) Banned episodes
 * 5) Other stuff

This would allow for a wide coverage of all its controversy without having to limit its content.

Also, a similar mention, I think we need an article about the species of Pokémon. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Game history
The game history for the USA is (from oldest to newest)(does not include pinball or puzzle pokemon games) blue&red,pokemon stadium, pokemon gold&silver,pokemon stadium2,pokemon crystal,pokemon ruby&sapphire,pokemon box,pokemon channel,pokemon Colosseum,pokemon firered&leafgreen,pokemon XD gale of darkness,pokemon dash,pokemon emerald,pokemon trozei,pokemon rescue team red&blue,pokemon ranger,pokemon diamond and pearl,pokemon explorers of time and darkness,and eventually pokemon platinum.

sorry if i left any out 5-31-08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.175.230.57 (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, if you want, could you check the article List of Pokémon video games for inaccuries? Thanks, Face 21:04, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You left out Pokemon Snap.  bibliomaniac 1  5  01:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

DVD set for DP ,Battle frontier, etc.
http://www.animeondvd.com/aodvb/showthread.php?t=82264

the thing is, is it official? signed by: Ferrariguy1000 (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice to see you again Ferrariguy! That post makes me think of this, but that press release only mentions Pokémon: The Rise of Darkrai. That list also mentions two new boxsets of anime seasons. I'm really not sure if it's official. The poster says that the list comes from The Right Stuf International, a retailer of anime and manga products. I don't see it on their site though. Cheers, Face 21:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon question on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
On November 18, 1999, Tulsa Harvard graduate Toby Moore walked away on a $500,000 question about Pokémon. TV.com mentions it here (look under Episodes 24 and 25 for information), and The Weekly Wire mentions it here. The only reason I included the Weekly Wire article is because it mentions the actual question and answer, and it offers considerable overlap with the other website. Please note that I found three or four other sources mentioning that question, but I know for a fact from personally watching the show that they are wrong. Also, the Tulsa World, which is the largest newspaper in Tulsa, mentions it here. StarBP (talk) 01:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL! November 18, 1999 was during the absolute height of the Pokémon craze in North-America, so it's no wonder that the show had a question about it. Pretty sad that the guy actually came that far, and then missed $250.000 because he: 1) never saw the Jigglypuff episode, and 2) never read The Lord of the Rings (the film was released two years later). Thanks for sharing this amusing little anecdote with us StarBP! Seriously though: I hope you don't actually want put this in the article? Cheers, Face 10:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought that would be a example of Pokémon in pop culture, as Millionaire was the top-watched show on TV in 2000. StarBP (talk) 16:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nah. A Pokémon question in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? is not really worth a mention in an encyclopedia. It's a very funny story, but not noteworthy. Cheers, Face 16:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

There was pokemon in Jeopardy once.65.223.58.226 (talk) 19:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Long and limited interest
This article is really long for an encyclopedia, and it's extremely detailed. I'm sure it's well written and all, but is an encyclopedia the right place for a complete strategy guide for a game? There seems to be enough material about this game series that it's motivated to start an entirely new Wiki about it, if there isn't already one. --Mickel (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Subliminal messages
I have to say you pokemon is not just hapiness an flowers all the songs of pokemon have a subliminal message i am not to sure if sin only the veron in spanish or also in english search in YOUTUBE but I warn you It can be sometihing very strong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.158.229.44 (talk) 20:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Zealots who play songs backwards looking for satanic messages end up getting mocked. Next!! -  Jéské  ( v^_^v  Trump XXI ) 22:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: On Hold
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. However, in reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that need to be addressed. I have made minor corrections and have included several points below that need to be addressed for the article to remain a GA. Please address them within seven days and the article will maintain its GA status. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you disagree with any of the issues, leave a comment after the specific issue and I'll be happy to discuss/agree with you. To keep tabs on your progress so far, either strike through the completed tasks or put checks next to them.

Needs inline citations:
 * "The fourth generation introduces another 107 new species of Pokémon (starting with Turtwig and ending with Arceus), bringing the total of Pokémon species to 493."
 * 1) "The series was released in the US in a special hour block on April 20, 2007."
 * 2) "This incident is the most common focus of Pokémon-related parodies in other media, and was lampooned by The Simpsons episode "Thirty Minutes over Tokyo" and the South Park episode "Chinpokomon", among others."
 * 3) "The Comedy Central show Drawn Together has a character named Ling-Ling which is a direct parody of Pikachu"

Other issues:
 * 1) "The franchise celebrated its tenth anniversary on February 27, 2006, and as of December 1, 2006, cumulative sold units of the video games (including home console versions, such as the "Pikachu" Nintendo 64) have reached more than 155 million copies." Can this figure be updated at all?
 * 2) "If the Pokémon is unable to escape the confines of the Poké Ball, that Pokémon is officially considered under the ownership of that Trainer, and it will obey whatever commands its new master and/or friend (depending on how that trainer treats Pokémon in general) issues to it from that point onward, unless the Trainer demonstrates enough of a lack of experience that the Pokémon would rather act on its own accord." I'd recommend splitting this sentence into two sentences.
 * Image:Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow screenshot.png and Image:Croconaw screen.png are very similar, if possible, remove one of them from the article unless you have a signficant reason for keeping both.
 * 1) "In addition to the TV series, ten Pokémon films have been made, with an eleventh to be released in Japan in July 2008. Collective bonuses, such as promotional trading cards, have been available with some of the films." This sentence needs to be updated since 12 films are mentioned in the next section.
 * Image:Pokémon 2BA Master.jpg needs a fair use rationle for use in this article.
 * 1) The first paragraph in the "CDs" section sounds redundant and should be rewritten. I'd recommend expanding on the information if possible as well. Also, include the release years for the CDs listed.
 * Image:Pikachu seizure-2.jpg needs a fair use rationle for use in this article.
 * 1) As a side note Image:Ana.b747.pokemon.arp.750pix.jpg and Image:TOYOTA ist Pikachu Car.jpg are both up for deletion on Wikimedia Commons. If interested, consider joining in on the debate. Also, one of the images should be relocated so that the text is not sandwiched between the two images.

This article covers the topic well and if the above issues are addressed, I believe the article can remain a GA. I will leave the article on hold for seven days, but if progress is being made and an extension is needed, one may be given. I will leave messages on the talk pages of the main contributors to the article along with the related WikiProjects so that the workload can be shared. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 08:12, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Several of the problems fixed, and struck. That's all I'm planning on doing, so someone else will need to do the rest. --PresN (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I struck out one request for a cite. I'm not sure if its reliable or not, but it seems to fit the bill. --haha169 (talk) 18:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC) There is a known glitch that is current in pokemon diamond/pearl where pokemon could be over level one hundred.

Because there is progress being made, I will leave the article on hold for another week. Good job on addressing some of the issues so far, and let me know if there are any questions about the remaining issues. I'll be back in a week to re-review the article, or if you finish sooner, please contact me on my talk page, and I'll re-review it if available. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 22:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Progress was being made, but what happened? There are only a few more points left, which shouldn't be too difficult to fix. If you fix all of the remaining issues in the "other issues" section, and can't find sources for the remaining issues, remove them from the article and then readd them once a source is found. I'm going to leave this article on hold until 7/18, and will delist it if the issues are not addressed. If you need help with any of these, please let me know on my talk page, I'm here to help and don't want to have to delist it. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 06:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed a couple of the concerns, but honestly, I have better things to do, than attempt to fix a rather trashy and poorly compiled article. It's nowhere close to GA quality if you ask me. Although it is a little disappointing that there wasn't more effort made to fix the problems you presented. Artichoker [ talk ]  23:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I also have better things to do as well, but with the exception of the above suggestions, the article did meet the criteria. It may not be the greatest GA out there but it is still sufficient in quality to meet the criteria. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 17:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * For sales figures, I did a couple of searches this report from March 2007 is the most recent that I could find. MelicansMatkin (talk) 21:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That shows sales figures for nintendo consoles, nothing about Pokémon games in specific. Also, before striking anything, make sure you fix the article first. Artichoker [ talk ]  21:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the article now states that as of 23 April 2008, cumulative sold units of the video games (including home console versions, such as the "Pikachu" Nintendo 64) have reached more than 175 million copies, and when I checked the source the penultimate sentence clearly states More than 175 million Pokémon games have been sold worldwide. Hence the reason why I striked that part out. I should probably also mention that after I made that previous comment, I noticed that article had actually been updated with the 175 million figure, and that I made the strikeout after I realized that, since whoever originally updated the figures neglected to do so. And incidentally, the source I found and mentioned above did mention the Pokemon games.  Look at the bottom of the article; it states that "Total Pokémon series: more than 164 million units worldwide". MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh whoops, my bad. Artichoker [ talk ]  13:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If the CD section is fixed, I'll pass the article, and you can remove the statements that you can't find sources for. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 17:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried my hand at rewriting the paragraph, and I arranged the CD releases into a chronological chart; hopefully this will look better now, although I'd recommend a cleaner screenshot in place of the 2.B.A. Master cover. And don't worry about it Artichoker! MelicansMatkin (talk) 00:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass
I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. Good job on pulling together to address the issues. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the online inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Fictional Kanto Region
Hey, I'm just having a quick scan of this article and I noticed the words "fictional Kanto region". Whilst I'm sure the area in Pokemon is certainly fictional, it should be made clear that the actual Kanto region is a very real place (I live there) and that it was almost certainly the inspiration for the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.204.240.194 (talk) 23:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you checked the article on the Kanto region in the Pokémon world? It shouldn't be noted there, that would be more relevant. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 00:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon Learning League
I'm curious why there is no mention of Pokémon Learning League on the Wikipedia site. Pokémon Learning League is an online only educational Pokémon product. It can be found at http://www.pokemonll.com or http://www.pokemonlearningleague.com. There are four new human characters that guide traditional Pokémon people and characters through learning lessons in math, science, langueage arts and good citizenship skills. PLL was launched on September 1, 2006. The entire site contains some 140 animated and interactive lessons, each lasting about 5 minutes in length. The site has won many education awards since the subscription-based site launched. - Kid de 360, AKA 360KID (12 July 2008). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kid de 360 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, Kid de 360! I know that project. I did the trial lesson a while ago, and I was certainly impressed. However, I don't know if the site is notable enough to be covered on WP. Articles about unnotable topics which can be interpreted as advertisement are usually deleted quickly, see this short policy. A mention of it in the Pokémon article might be an idea, but I don't know if it would fit anywhere. - Face 17:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm curious about the awards part actually. If citations can be found for the "many education awards", I think that would make it noteworthy enough to be included in the article. MelicansMatkin (talk) 03:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

There is also the fact that Pokemon learning league has stopped accepting subscriptions and is closing down soon, so I've read on the site -Pokemaniac64 10:43 AM, 9, November 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemaniac64 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Other External Links
I thought about adding this one:http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml it is one of the biggest pokemon websites with lots of information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CBrowncamel (talk • contribs) 08:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Serebii.net fails WP:FANSITE. MelicansMatkin (talk) 11:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * But I really think Bulbapedia should be in external links. I have seen several times a wiki in an External links section. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 13:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Meta's Interwiki map apparently contains wikis considered reliable (see WP:ELNO, point 12). Do you think Bulbapedia should be on it? Cheers, Face 14:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that, but I'd say Pokémon is a very notable franchise, and Bulbapedia is the biggest Pokémon Wiki out there. I'd say it's nearly as notable (if not more) as other Wikis focused on a particular media. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reliable? Considering Uncyclopedia is on the list, I find that hard to believe.  But going by notability I would say that Bulbapedia warrants inclusion, since it is just as notable to Pokemon fans as Lostpedia and Wookiepedia are to Lost and Star Wars fans respectively (both of which are also included on the Interwiki). MelicansMatkin (talk) 18:14, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I never said Bulbapedia was reliable, I was simply stating that it's as notable as most other other wikis focused on a particular media (like the two you mentioned) out there. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that the page is technically just a list of wikis for which interwiki linking is available (example). Uncyclopedia was likely included just because of its notability, not reliability. Most of those wikis are reliable though, as reliability makes a source more notable (Uncyclopedia is in that case an exception). If we could get Bulbapedia on that list, I think we could add it to this article safely. Cheers, Face 19:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, now I'm with you. Yeah, I agree that it's a good idea to try and get Bulbapedia onto the list, although I'd feel more comfortable if there was a larger discussion held at WP:PCP.  And my previous comment on reliability was directed at Face's prior comment, TBM, not yourself.  My apologies for not being clearer on that. MelicansMatkin (talk) 19:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I, too, would not be opposed to adding Bulbapedia as an external link. It may not be "reliable" by the official definition, but I would rely on the information to be accurate in a vast majority of cases. The site is also quite notable and, as far as I know, the biggest conglomerate of Pokémon information. Useight (talk) 18:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * sounds good...although for other pokemon padges with more specific subjects we should check if the info from bulbapedia is corect on the induvidual subject.--Pika17 (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I added Bulbapedia. If there is a problem, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. However, the link to Bulbapedia must be included. It may be cruft, but its cruft that is important to those who look up this article and Bulbapedia adds info that can not be found on Wikipedia.(Monkeyjb1988 (talk) 13:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC))
 * I agree with anyone who wants to put Bulbapedia on this article, It has a ton of information about Pokemon that Wikipedia doesn't have (Wikipedia only has articles on 6 Pokemon species; Bulbapedia has articles for all 493 species). It has to be included as a link on this article.--Monkeyjb1988 (talk) 13:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon list
I think we should add a list somewere in the artical of all the pokemon, and what generation/game series they belong to. I can do that if everyone thinks it's a good idea...--Pika17 (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Im also wondering if we should do something about the theam songs...--Pika17 (talk) 13:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Already done here. No need to add it to this article. StarBP (talk) 00:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a link to the list in the box at the bottom. We also have List of Pokémon theme songs, but that could seriously use a cleanup. Cheers, Face 21:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Just a few concerns (for now): first, the "Video Games" section kind of smells like fancruft. I'm pretty sure the "Pokedex" and "Starter Pokemon" don't need to be there and could probably be moved to the Pokemon game mechanics article (though I'm not sure it even belongs there, as it really isn't part of the "mechanics"). Second, the prose is kind of verbose (probably one of the biggest issues facing Featured Article candidates). I'll do what I can; if you want to address the second concern, Tony1 has a really good guide on that. Ink Runner (talk) 17:58, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * good point, i agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.127.205 (talk) 10:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * me 2, v. clever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.251.143.247 (talk) 13:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Another source: Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon
If anyone is interested, I found "Pikachu's Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon" http://www.amazon.com/Pikachus-Global-Adventure-Rise-Pok%C3%A9mon/dp/0822332876/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224152196&sr=1-7 on sale at Amazon. It could be good for sourcing analysis. WhisperToMe (talk) 10:21, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémons
I think we should do a special page (or a special content section) for the legendary pokémons of all the regions, without getting them out of the national dex list. What do you think? (talk) 11/04/2008, 22:12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spriteyou! (talk • contribs) 00:14, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon Platinum
We need to put something up about the new sister game to Diamond and Pearl, Pokemon Platinum. I see the name one place in the article, but it has already been released in Japan and will be released probably next year elsewhereMwakin21 (talk) 01:55, 6 November 2008 (UTC).
 * good Idea! kenziebug —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenziebug (talk • contribs) 00:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Origin?
"In the series, Ultraseven, when unable to fight (usually because his Ultra Eye has been stolen), Dan will often produce a small capsule that releases a giant-sized monster to fight in his place."

Now I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I believe the concept of "Keeping Pokémon inside Pokéballs" originated from Ultraseven. --Arima (talk) 00:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

ok
ok maybe this isn't the best Idea but they should put a list of common and starter pokemon on the articale —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenziebug (talk • contribs) at 00:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This article is about the franchise as a whole, not the species. -  Jéské  Couriano  ( v^_^v ) 20:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Quality
This article (and all other Pokémon-related articles) are severely lacking in quality. There's very little information in it that someone wouldn't know from playing the games for just five minutes. There's virtually no information on any of the glitches, and it seems as if the reliable source guidelines were created specifically to prevent any such information from being added. I'm not saying we should add complete learnsets for every Pokémon, but we should at least have lists of all attacks and all items, since there's a list of all Pokémon. The list of Pokémon species needs to have pictures, as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.13.45 (talk) 19:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Please refer to WP:NOT for more information as to why these things aren't included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.134.242 (talk • contribs) at 19:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2022
please add something about pokemon master journeys the tv show TotallYAdam (talk) 16:50, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TungstenTime (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Added content to controversies
There could be multiple sections added to the controversies part of the page - including those relating to 1. racism (with a Pokémon called Jynx being accused of having an appearance representing blackface) 2. promoting unsafe gun usage, unsafe acts, and child abuse with an episode in the first season of the Pokémon anime including a man with a gun, who can be see pointing it at the protagonists 3. Banned episodes, with multiples episodes having to be highly changed, or outright unaired from television due to unsafe and inappropriate themes (mainly during the first season on the Pokémon anime, including the episode with the man pointing the gun at the child, ect.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.1.219 (talk) 16:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)