Talk:Pokémon/Archive 5

Urghh, hall of N00bness
Please can someone put " Pokémon games for PC " into a section for the Pokemon Main page (like video games, a redirect thing), I can't edit it because I am new, but that's definitely a section that's missing. The URL is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokémon_games_for_PC --Atmatic (talk) 06:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * you are so right —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arvinz0 (talk • contribs) 02:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * That article no longer exists and has been merged with List of Pokémon video games; this article is linked to under "See also". DKqwerty (talk) 02:35, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Circular reference
The statement "Pokémon has since become the second most successful and lucrative video game-based media franchise in the world, behind only Nintendo's own Mario series" is using as reference a GameSpot article which references a The Independent article with a list of best-selling video game franchises. However, as I explained in the past, The Independent used Wikipedia information to build that list (the list is in fact a textual copy of the list the week before the article was published). So, it should not be used here. You can, however, use one of the media articles that state The Sims is the third best-selling video game of all time, second only to Mario and Pokémon. While reaching that conclusion is trivial by comparing the press releases of Nintendo and Electronic Arts, building a list of 20 games and ending with the same list we had (including the mistakes we had, like not adding Tetris, Fifa or others) passes the duck test. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 03:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction). Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The Pokémon wikiproject already merged all of its episodes and characters and whatnot. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 11:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Really, thanks for clarifying this. This used to be the number one example that editors who support merging and deleting would point too. Ikip (talk) 11:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Now it's usually Family Guy, which has 200+ articles, most of which are built around creator commentary and offhand mentions and blog posts. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 12:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Starter Pokemon(correction)
The article Starter Pokemon incorrectly states that there is only one exception to the rule of three choices, when in Coliseum you start with Espion and Umbreon, and in Xd, where you get Eevee. --Knowledgeabletome (talk) 04:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're at the wrong talk page, chummer. -  Jeremy  ( v^_^v Cardmaker ) 05:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

How so?--Knowledgeabletome (talk) 00:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see what you mean. For future reference, "article" refers to the page of that name, not a section in the article. However, it doesn't seem like either article (this one or the Gameplay of Pokémon article) concern themselves with the Stadium/Coliseum series, only the main series (R/B/Y, G/S/C, R/S/E, D/Pe/Pl), likely because the gameplay is radically altered. -  Jeremy  ( v^_^v Cardmaker ) 00:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it be correct to say so if Yellow was included in the explanation?80.229.163.140 (talk) 14:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC) Well, that is right, cause you get a Pikachu (pika pipi? pika!) and Blue (rival) gets Eevee (he'll evolve it due to the outcome of the battles, try it for Vaporeon! Listed on Bulbapedia: Blue) Arceus493 (talk) 23:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC) HGSS

Links
Hey guys, could we add  (link) to the External links section?--Richard (Talk - Contribs) 18:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Wikia Pokémon wiki really isn't notable or large. Adding a link to Bulbapedia (link) would be more reasonable. I think there used to be one in the past, not sure why it would have been deleted. 58.174.97.22 (talk) 06:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Renamed/consolidated this section so I wouldn't have to make a new one. "Official Site" link in references is dead (prolly thanks to Nintendo reworking the site) and "TCG" should probablly be renamed as they cover a lot more than cards now - like live action real-time video game battles across DS. VulpineLady (talk) 01:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the official site link is fine now, and the TCG link does seem to focus exclusively on the TCG. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 07:25, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
!! Note, there are mentions to 'penis pokemon' on this page. I can't update it because I'm new, but if someone could fix the vandalism, please do, it's significant! Ibnzintzo (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 20:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't see the vandalism, but I think it should be noted (though in a different context of course) that Palkia's shiny backsprite in Generation IV sort of resembles a phallus. has all the info. It would be preferable that under-13s do not click the link.  Brendan ology TalK 11:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

"Pokemon" redirection
Currently is you search for "Pokemon" in the wikipedia search it comes up with a "did you mean Pokémon?" page. It is obvious what people are searching for so why not just redirect straight to the "Pokémon" page? I would change this myself, but this is the first time I have contributed ANYTHING to wikipedia and I don't now how :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.65.213 (talk) 15:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "Pokemon" does redirect to "Pokémon". -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 18:36, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

How did it begin?
I get from this article that the first ever Pokémon-"thing" to ever be created and released was the green edition of the classic Pokémon-game. Is that right? I mean... It did all begin with the GAME? The anime is based on the game? The game is NOT based on ... whatever? I don't know why, but I always thought the games were based on the anime... But maybe that's just me!? So there was first the game and then came the anime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.54.112.55 (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. The game preceded the anime, but I'm not sure if the manga (the third part of the metaseries) came before or after the game. -  Jeremy  ( v^_^v  Cardmaker ) 20:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The manga was designed after the game, but whether or not it was made before, after or simultaneously to the anime I don't know. And it's not just the Green Edition - Red Edition was released at the same time. Akata (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The games were made, then the Manga was made based off the games. The Anime was then made loosly based off the manga. Like some personalities of characters from the manga were probably put in the Anime, while some people were completly different. --Blake (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. Satoshi Tajiri originally came up with the concept for Pokemon as a child, and sketched it out as a comic titled "Pocket Monsters". It was released with a short run, and is very difficult to come across. Even screens are scarce on the Internet, and have led many to believe it's a myth.


 * The games brought the concept to public attention with Green version, which was then adapted individually into the manga, Pokemon Special (or Adventures in Japan), and the anime. Development of the manga and anime began at relatively the same time, and are different interpretations of the game with zero crossover. Simply put: Tajiri supports the manga, he does not support the anime. Jackal Killer (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Um.
"In 1999, the Jewish civil rights group Anti-Defamation League also pressured Nintendo to edit the image of the Pokémon trading cards for Golbat and Ditto because the cards depicted a left-facing manji"

The card in question is Koga's Ninja Trick. Not Ditto or Golbat; they're just ON the card. 67.175.28.48 (talk) 05:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

and the manji managed to resemble a swastika which is what all the hullabaloo was over. The card was reprinted with a new design in place of the manji for Japan, all other countries recieved the edited card as a first run. Collectors vie for the 1st edition and for the Unlimited edition unedited form, often referred to as "Swastika Golbat". VulpineLady (talk) 07:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, what happened to the Bulbasaur article?
Pardon me for asking, but was the Bulbasaur article deleted? I thought it was one of the best Pokemon-related articles? Or was it just shortened down into a redirect? Evilgidgit (talk) 21:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Pokémon discussed it briefly on their talk page and moved it to the project space, replacing it with a redirect. I have restored the article. Regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 23:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone cheer for ownership issues. TTN (talk) 23:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Everyone cheer for deletion obsession. &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 23:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's been re-made in to a redirect. Celestianpower, please do not violate consensus with your bold, but uncalled for moves. Instead, please take it up at WT:PCP or WT:VG. Thanks,  Artichoker [ talk ] 23:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

10 Years
Just pointing out that it says the game was invented sometime around 1995 at the beginning of the article, then a few sentences later says they celebrated their 10 year anniversary in 1996. Something seems strange about celebrating 10 years, after a year. 71.105.2.24 (talk) 18:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry everyone, that was my mistake, and it's been fixed. Thanks for pointing it out though! It's much appreciated. - sesu  PRIME  03:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Seriously people, why do you keep putting Pokemon was created by Satoshi Tajiri IN 1996. Thats when the game was RELEASED. It didn't take a month to make the game, it took 6 YEARS so technically you people should say it was created by Satoshi Tajiri in 1990 and say something like it took six years to make the games and/or its been AROUND since 1996 and blah blah blah. Its starting to annoy the hell out of me. 2009/9/12 1:24/1:28 AM バンギラス —Preceding unsigned comment added by バンギラス (talk • contribs) 17:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Pokémon is a metaseries, Bangirasu. If *any* aspect of the series (anime and manga count) precede the games, then we can mark it as then, but technically Pokémon wasn't created per se until any of the metaseries was. It's like saying the Statue of Liberty was built while it was still being constructed. -  Jeremy  ( v^_^v Tear him for his bad verses! ) 19:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Criticism and Controversy - Morality
Someone should have pointed out that it idealizes animal cruelty; capturing wild animals, taming them, making them fight each other. Am I the only one who's noticed that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.71.158.179 (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That statement is original research unless you can provide a reliable source backing it up. - sesu  PRIME  12:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Please note that Pokemon are NOT animals of any kind. However, in some episodes, there are non-pokemon creatures (such as birds,fish, cats and dogs) around. Also, it is highly unlikerly that children will believe that you can catch a real creature in a small device, like a pokemon ball. (TheGreenwalker (talk) 20:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC))

Photos
Is it possible to have a photo next to each pokemon and create a masterchart of all pokemon ?-- 20:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * No. We have to be extremely conservative with copyrighted images on Wikipedia. For more information, see WP:Non-free content. Cheers. - sesu  PRIME  00:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Generation 5
Could someone here please take a look at this article. It has been newly created. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 22:55, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Newly created and proposed for speedy deletion per WP:NOR, WP:V, WP:NOTE, and WP:CRYSTAL. DKqwerty (talk) 23:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

I think
Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Arceus should get a merged article. They're important Pokemon. Alpha CuboneKing! Bone bone bone! 02:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:PCP is the place to bring that up. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 03:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Original Pokemon
I would like to make a list of all original 150 pokemon, becuase it deserves to be onthe actual Pokemon page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.139.59 (talk) 02:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that would clutter the article unnecessarily. We already have List of Pokémon, and see Category:Lists of Pokémon for more detailed lists. BlazerKnight (talk) 02:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Infobox?
Does this article need an infobox? -- GorillaWarfare  talk 21:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What kind of items should it contain? Useight (talk) 22:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably the same sort of items as other game pages. There IS a game infobox template, after all. In any case, this is one of the most famous games ever to walk this planet. It should rightfully have an infobox.  Brendan ology TalK 11:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * There is indeed a game infobox, but this article is not specifically about a video game. - theFace 12:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon a new religion
There have been speculations that Pokemon could maybe become a 'new religion' in the future. Should we include this? I promise this NPOV is not silly in anyway, thank you. (TheGreenwalker (talk) 22:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC))


 * Where is the reliable source for such a claim? Given that this is an exceptional claim, exceptional sources are needs. —Farix (t &#124; c) 00:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure, but this might give some indication:

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/pokemon.htm

http://digg.com/comedy/A_Pokemon_Religion

(TheGreenwalker (talk) 01:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC))


 * The first link is the "Pokémon is of the Devil" tripe made by Christians that see evil in anything that isn't connected to Christianity. (see also the reaction to Harry Potter) The second is a link to a blog that is no longer online. Neither of these are exceptional sources for the claim. —Farix (t &#124; c) 02:26, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

At least I tried, but thank you for looking. (TheGreenwalker (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC))


 * NP. If you come across any other sources that may support the claim, then feel free to post them hear. However, I will state that blogs and forum posts are not considered reliable sources, especially when trying to support such an exceptional claim. You will most likely need something from a cultural anthropologist or similar. —Farix (t &#124; c) 14:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Choking
I remember running across a website about a couple of boys who choked to death on some of the Pokeball toys. Was this previously in the article before and removed due to a lack of good sources, or was this never mentioned to begin with? hbdragon88 (talk) 01:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * What you are looking for is at Burger King Pokémon container recall. ;) Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I found the site. Pokemonkils.com archive.org plus some Google News hits. Seems really minor though, nothing seems to have come out of the lawsuit. hbdragon88 (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Merchandising
Here's a fun quote from http://web.archive.org/web/20070608082728/www.fansview.com/2000a/022700a.htm :

"Thanks to a deal between Shogakukan and Nintendo, Viz may seem to have turned into a Pokemon company. Since Viz's parent company in Japan publishes the Pokemon manga, the American company has published all of the Pokemon manga and several other books, from kids' stories to origami. Yet, when Viz' representatives gathered at FanimeCon, they had other projects to discuss that had nothing to do with Pikachu...although they mentioned that children seemed attracted to a large Pikachu poster in their San Francisco offices, and Viz was ready to issue a line of merchandise linked to the second Pokemon movie when it's released in 2000. Also, Toshi Yoshida (on the far left) joked that 'We have a big Pikachu in the back and we milk it.'"

--Gwern (contribs) 00:13 30 November 2009 (GMT)

Pokétch
I'm not a Wiki member, but 'Pokétch' should be spelled 'Pokétech' (obviously I can't edit the page because it is protected, and I'm not a member). Thanks, whoever changes this.--69.212.44.5 (talk) 18:44, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, "Pokétch" is the correct spelling of the name of the device that's worn by the main character in the Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum games. The word "Pokétch" is an abbreviation for "Pokémon Watch". -- SoCalSuperEagle ( talk ) 20:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, you're right, it is Pokétch. Should'ce Googled it before I opened my mouth. Sorry, lol--69.212.44.5 (talk) 00:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon.com
Why does the article not state anything about Pokemon.com? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pokemas493 (talk • contribs) at 07:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Why does the article need to state anything about Pokemon.com? Blake (Talk·Edits) 16:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's listed as an external link; that's all that is really needed. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 17:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

New Pokemon - Confirmed by Serebii.net
Well ladies and gentlemen, the fifth generation of Pokemon has arrived with the revealing of two new Pokemon.

http://www.serebii.net/generation5/

The reason I bought this news up is should it be included somewhere within this article, or within another one? Or should this be kept out of context until more info comes in? Evilgidgit (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Zoroark redirects to Pokémon: Phantom Ruler Zoroark; probably the most that could be added would be a sentence, but I think that sentence has been in place since the most recent Pokémon Sunday. MelicansMatkin (talk, contributions) 15:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We may create a List of Generation V Pokémon, or something along those lines, once more information is provided. Right now 2 species probably isn't enough for a list. Right now, all the information can be in the movie article. Blake (Talk·Edits) 16:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

New Pokemon/New Movie
More information has just been released about the new 5th generation pokemon Zorark and Zorara. Zorara is the pre-evoultion of Zorark and has the abilty to transform into non-lengendry pokemon while it's evolved form can. These pokemon can also transform into humans aswell. Information about the new movie Phantom Champion Z starring thesse to pokemon will be on this site http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/.--TAEÐGE (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We already know this information unless you are talking about something that happened today. It is all on the Phantom Ruler: Zoroark page. An article about Zorua and Zoroark could be made if enough reception forumulates, or a List of generation 5 Pokémon will be made when more species are revealed to occupy it.(Preferably 5) Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

A translation into tamil
Proposal to link the Tamil translation of pokemon in the language panel

http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/பொகெமொன் —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avedeus (talk • contribs) 14:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

HeartGold/SoulSilver
Somebody who can edit the page needs to change "the newest Pokémon role-playing game (RPG) for the Nintendo DS, Pokémon Platinum" to " the newest Pokémon role-playing games (RPG) for the Nintendo DS, Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver." Thanks! 67.142.171.31 (talk) 22:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done and done. WERETIGER (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It was already fixed. Instead of saying "As of the newest game, Pokemon Platinum", it was changed to "As of Pokemon Platinum", no longer stating it as the newest game. Really, it should say "As of Diamond and Pearl", since that is when the latest Pokemon were revealed. Blake (Talk·Edits) 01:47, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, besides the Gen 5 Pokemon. Blake (Talk·Edits) 01:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Fake info
It should go without saying that the line...

"Announcing on the next episode of Pokemon Sunday, they will officially announce the three starter Pokemon to Black and White Version. http://i39.tinypic.com/2dlpy00.jpg"

...is fake info and needs to be removed. It has yet to be said in Pokemon Sunday that the starters will be revealed, as well at the image being an edit of a screenshot of the silhouette teaser that was revealed to be Zoroark that has been floating around for the last few weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.48.233.129 (talk) 06:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, whoops. I saw that, looked at the link, and then got distracted. I will remove it now. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

/:Oh, someone beat me to it. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:07, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 150.212.28.222, 26 April 2010
It says "THE BEST POKEMON IS GEODUDE" in the intro. First of all, this doesn't belong in the intro, even if it were factual (everyone knows Alakazam is the best Pokemon)

150.212.28.222 (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing that out; it was just a bit of recent vandalism, which I have removed. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:43, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon movies
There are some pokemon movies missing. Mewtwo Returns which came after pokemon 4ever, and then there was pickachus winter vacation 1 and 2. - Jordan(Green)

Pokemon movies
There are some pokemon movies missing. Mewtwo Returns which came after pokemon 4ever, and then there was pickachus winter vacation 1 and 2. - Jordan(Green) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.153.155 (talk) 01:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think "Mewtwo Returns" is not counted as a full movie. Also, I think Pikachu's Winter Vacation would be a short before a movie. Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon MMORPG
I have seen various references to this in random pop-up ads and was wondering if this was actually something from the original Pokemon franchise. I couldn't find anything on the wikipedia article so I assume it's just spam, but can someone confirm this? Thanks. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 22:16, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There are many Pokemon MMORPGs out there, but none are official, and some of them give out viruses. Blake (Talk·Edits) 23:45, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters : Best Wishes
Today, After the new pokemon episode ended they show a preview of two characters a boy & a girl. They Also conformed that the girls' name is Iris i was wondering if someone could edit Pocket Monsters : Best Wishes  into the Anime Section of the article : Pokemon :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.194.86.131 (talk) 12:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.208.150.188, 22 July 2010
In the Morality section under Criticism and Controversy, it says that "In 1999, the Jewish civil rights group Anti-Defamation League pressured Nintendo to edit the image of the Pokémon trading cards for Golbat and Ditto because the cards depicted a left-facing manji, which the League interpreted as antisemitism, although these cards had been intended for sale only in Japan with Nintendo planning to release edited versions in North America the following year.[34] " In that very cite note, the anti-defamation league is quoted as saying that "We recognize there was no intention to be offensive, but goods flow too easily from one place to another in the world." clearly contradicting the assertion that they interpreted it as antisemitism. Additionally the entire sentence seems excessively critical of the league, using words like "pressured" and adding that the cards were only for sale in Japan, implying that the league was in some way not privy to this knowledge. That very quote from cite note 34 demonstrates that they understood the cards had only been released in Japan by stating, "goods flow too easily from one place to another in the world." Please remove the blatantly false parts and additionally restructure the sentence to reflect the understanding nature of the anti-defamation league and the co-operative attitude of Nintendo.

128.208.150.188 (talk) 04:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I rephrased the section in question, but I kept references to the Anti-Defamation League. The top of source 34 says that the league complained, so I included that instead of "pressured". No prejudice to further copy-editing or the inclusion of more sources to support stronger claims. —Ost (talk) 15:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Majspuffen, 7 August 2010
Please add the information about the new legendary pokémon Ruglumb, who is achieved by completing the entire national dex and is the first pokémon of all pokémon to have 3 types. Will be a reward in the new generation black and white. Thank you.

Majspuffen (talk) 01:54, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Information about specific Pokemon can be added to the List of Pokémon article which is not protected. Please note that you will need reliable sources when adding new information. Stickee (talk)  02:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Requested article

 * Moved from Requested articles/Japan/Anime and Manga


 * Pikachu’s Global Adventure: The Rise and Fall of Pokémon official Enterprise & Society Social Science Japan Journal Popular Communication Pacific Historical Review British Journal of Educational Studies

– allen四names 18:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)